RE: Spotted: '04 Koenigsegg CC8S

[British Beef]

BelfastBoy said:

Good call on that CCX, again fantastic value for money.

Thats a first..... a £450k car being called fantastic value for money!!!!!

I wish I had a few more pennies in the bank to allow me to pick up some of these bargains!

Its all relative I suppose, but I would say that second hand BMW M6 currently represent fantastic value for money, considering the breadth and depth of ability, reliability, technical specs and current costs (sub £30k for a sweety).

For my lottery win I would want something like an F40 or F50. Certainly no faster, more reliable, or cheaper to run but just more desirable.

To my eyes these things (and Paganis too), are overpriced, coining in on the wealthy who want something different in their stable from the established marques.

[Adam B]

TWareham said:

Happy to answer any question on this or any other Koenigsegg...

Thanks for taking time to reply, 2 questions

Why did the engine need an overhaul after so few miles or did that cost include the engine tune?

What was the list price in 2003, just thinking that depreciation might not be too bad for 8 years although it's hardly been used?

[Adam B]

TurboTerrific9 said:

Oh and didn;t a lot of these cars get added to hire car fleets (without any real chance of them being hired, given insurance and cost) so that owners could then depreciate them against their business accounts?

How does that work out of interest. Not saying you are wrong but depreciation is not tax-deductible in UK, yes you may be able to claim capital allowances but that doesn't compensate for the lost asset value.

[dele]

Hmmm

Looking at the Super Vettura website and this popped up

http://www.supervettura.com/#!pagani-zonda-f-roads...

I thought the Zonda F Roadster Final Edition was a special one off? Not originally part of the 25 Roadster F's built?

[jbforce10]

I'm assuming a lot of the reliability issue chatter is based on the Gumball DVD from a few years back where the only Koenisegg in the "race" broke-down and a mechanic was flown out to fix and follow the car to ensure it finished... Most of which I'm sure was elaborated upon for entertainment value.

[V8Dom]

marcosgt said:

Buy a used F1 car or a dragster if you just want stupid speed (around corners or in a straight line, respectively) and save yourself a fortune!

M.

Or buy an Ultima for £50k and still have Hyper performance along with a spare 200k

Dom

[Grovsie26]

V8Dom said:

Or buy an Ultima for £50k and still have Hyper performance along with a spare 200k

Dom

Or throw 30k of mods at a Nissan Pulsar. Awesome.

[johnpeat]

jbforce10 said:

I'm assuming a lot of the reliability issue chatter is based on the Gumball DVD from a few years back where the only Koenisegg in the "race" broke-down and a mechanic was flown out to fix and follow the car to ensure it finished... Most of which I'm sure was elaborated upon for entertainment value.

I think there's been a few stories of that ilk - but in fairness, the sort of person who does a 'Gumball Rally' probably isn't the most mechanically sympathetic person and finding-out their car breaks down isn't really a surprise...

That said - most low volume cars aren't really noted for astonishing build quality or reliability at the best of times are they? It goes with the territory AND it's not like you're likely to be stuck for transport if it does break down

[Jasandjules]

When the Euro Lottery win is mine, so will one of those!

[Streetrod]

johnpeat said:

That said - most low volume cars aren't really noted for astonishing build quality or reliability at the best of times are they? It goes with the territory AND it's not like you're likely to be stuck for transport if it does break down

Not always true. Again using the Zonda as an example they have proven to be extremely reliable. Don’t forget that the Zonda is actually a pretty simple car running an AMG V12 which will only need a major service once it hits about 100k miles.

[Silentrunning]

marcosgt said:

I've always thought these stunningly ugly cars, but that's quite a nice colour.

Was the 4,400 mile 'overhaul' for a power upgrade?

If not, what's the effing point of a hypercar that can't go that far between rebuilds??????

Buy a used F1 car or a dragster if you just want stupid speed (around corners or in a straight line, respectively) and save yourself a fortune!

M.

My thoughts exactly.

Looks far too kit car for the price. I saw Megafactories recently and although beatuifully built and shockingly fast it still looks like it rolled out of someone's shed. It just can't justify the price.

I'll take a SV in Orange please...

[awv]

I would certainly be tempted if the old lottery numbers came up, and compared to a Veyron something of a bargain.

Mind you, when see figures like 21k for a service, you know you're in a whole different world.

[Waynester]

I like it...gets the petrol in the veins flowing!

Isn't the Konigseggseggeggsegg the car 'Stig' / TG insisted needed some down force to avoid mowing the shrubbery?

Those doors are amazing, but I'm thinking...doors 0 - kerbs 1

[Daniel1]

Waynester said:

I like it...gets the petrol in the veins flowing!

Isn't the Konigseggseggeggsegg the car 'Stig' / TG insisted needed some down force to avoid mowing the shrubbery?

Those doors are amazing, but I'm thinking...doors 0 - kerbs 1

i read something somewhere (evo i think) that they hadn't had chance to set up the car properly.

[pimpin gimp]

I fail to see how anyone can compare this to a kitcar, it's beautiful. It's a stunning car in a very understated colour, and to be honest I quite like the interior too. I'd have one like a shot, and I'd take it over a more elaborate looking zonda too.

I'd never choose an ultima over one, horrendously ugly car and I can't imagine I'd notice any discernible performance gains in having the uglier car, so I'd take the more expensive better looking one.

[Streetrod]

Silentrunning said:

marcosgt said:

I've always thought these stunningly ugly cars, but that's quite a nice colour.

Was the 4,400 mile 'overhaul' for a power upgrade?

If not, what's the effing point of a hypercar that can't go that far between rebuilds??????

Buy a used F1 car or a dragster if you just want stupid speed (around corners or in a straight line, respectively) and save yourself a fortune!

M.

My thoughts exactly.

Looks far too kit car for the price. I saw Megafactories recently and although beatuifully built and shockingly fast it still looks like it rolled out of someone's shed. It just can't justify the price.

I'll take a SV in Orange please...

Before you dive into that SV you may want to take a look underneath. Compared to th some kit cars the build quality is shocking. As for the paint, well it would be a good idea to get a little anecdotal evidence from a couple of owners on here. Let’s just say the word "Overspray" tends to pop up a lot....

[TWareham]

Adam B said:

Thanks for taking time to reply, 2 questions

Why did the engine need an overhaul after so few miles or did that cost include the engine tune?

What was the list price in 2003, just thinking that depreciation might not be too bad for 8 years although it's hardly been used?

Hi Adam,

I managed to dig out the original invoice for these works and also spoke with Christian regards this and the old CC8S price so can answer both these questions for you.

The engine did not need any work doing to it other than a routine service, Christian had just driven the car on a trip to Scotland and suggested to the owner that he should spend some money to upgrade the car to more CCR specification. So it was really a case of wanting to spend money on the car, than having to.

In answer to your other question, quite an interesting one. Based on today's exchange rate we are looking at a list price of £287,875 inclusive of UK Vat at 17.5% (€280,000 Netto). Not having an historical exchange rate you would need to +\- this a little but not too bad.

Hope this answers your questions,

Tom

[rhinochopig]

j_s14a said:

rhinochopig said:

Well you could, but Ultimas have probably the worst interiors of any road car and they're a kit car. So you're not really comparing apples with apples.

But with an Ultima, you could build the interior how you want it you could spec a bespoke interior, with classy, bespoke switch gear and it would still be significantly less than £200k. Plus you'd have a brand new car, this is 7 years old.

And I could build radical that would be quicker around a track. I really don't see your point, you're still not comparing apples with apples.

An Ultima is a kit-car - albeit one that goes well - and as such simply doesn't have the same appeal for many as say an 'egg. Yes you could fit a bespoke interior, and whichever engine you fancied, but at the end of the day it is still a kit car and many many people would rather have a factory built car with a badge that comes out of a factory looking nice. Not one that has been to half a dozen different engineering companies to get it how you want.

[fwaggie]

Like the car but, my, those alloys are fugly!

Also re. all these mega expensive hyper cars, half of me thinks "Fools and their money are easily parted", and the other half is glad to see people who have earned this much money, spending it rather than sticking it under the mattress and being a rich Scrooge.

Personally I'd have a 458 and a nice yacht for that money, but if I already had them and still had $50m in the bank and was bored (how the hell do people who earn that much have any time to drive and enjoy the cars? Suppose that answers 4.4k miles in 8 years)

[Adam B]

TWareham said:

Adam B said:

Thanks for taking time to reply, 2 questions

Why did the engine need an overhaul after so few miles or did that cost include the engine tune?

What was the list price in 2003, just thinking that depreciation might not be too bad for 8 years although it's hardly been used?

Hi Adam,

I managed to dig out the original invoice for these works and also spoke with Christian regards this and the old CC8S price so can answer both these questions for you.

The engine did not need any work doing to it other than a routine service, Christian had just driven the car on a trip to Scotland and suggested to the owner that he should spend some money to upgrade the car to more CCR specification. So it was really a case of wanting to spend money on the car, than having to.

In answer to your other question, quite an interesting one. Based on today's exchange rate we are looking at a list price of £287,875 inclusive of UK Vat at 17.5% (€280,000 Netto). Not having an historical exchange rate you would need to +\- this a little but not too bad.

Hope this answers your questions,

Tom

It does indeed thanks, makes the car seem a sound buy for the original owner