RE: BMW Diesel M Car Confirmed (Almost)

[irf]

tri turbo?

not sure why i'm even thinking along these lines but surely that doesnt bode well for reliablity? i'm not thinking so much of the first owner.

[Riggers]

doogz said:

Riggers said:

doogz said:

Touring model please?

Have a look at the blue-circled bit in the list pictured in the article. Says F11, which means Touring, so I think you get your wish.

Does it? not up to speed with the newer BMW chassis designations.

I could be seriously tempted by one. I say that a lot about new cars, but i need 4WD, and this seems like a bigger, more grown up, probably more comfortable, quicker, and less thirsty version of my current 4WD estate. Won't sound as good though.

You need to get learning your F-numbers . Does sound like it could be the ideal car for you, I must admit...

[Mermaid]

irf said:

tri turbo?

not sure why i'm even thinking along these lines but surely that doesnt bode well for reliablity? i'm not thinking so much of the first owner.

That may be the grand plan . From their point of view, cars should be consumables with a life of less than 10 years, and the complexity would mean all work being carried out at BMW dealers. Win-win.

[SD1992]

Yes please! Where do I sign up?

650 lb ft?? That will be mental

[bodhi]

Seems a bit pointless to me. I can't see it being a huge amount more economical than the upcoming V8 turbo M5 (especially with 4wd) - maybe 5 mpg at the most - will sound as awful as everything else fuelled by the black stuff and won't go as sideways as an M5 is supposed to if its 4wd.

So basically it's an M-Sport 5 Series with a big diesel engine. Great if you like that sort of thing I guess....

[Zwoelf]

irf said:

tri turbo?

not sure why i'm even thinking along these lines but surely that doesnt bode well for reliablity? i'm not thinking so much of the first owner.

No different to any other M car out of warranty period then really.

[Zod]

Zwoelf said:

irf said:

tri turbo?

not sure why i'm even thinking along these lines but surely that doesnt bode well for reliablity? i'm not thinking so much of the first owner.

No different to any other performance car out of warranty period then really.

EFA

[Zwoelf]

Zod said:

Zwoelf said:

irf said:

tri turbo?

not sure why i'm even thinking along these lines but surely that doesnt bode well for reliablity? i'm not thinking so much of the first owner.

No different to any other performance car out of warranty period then really.

EFA

Good point, well made

[filski666]

M550dX eh?

M for mapped ?

[Beardy10]

Zod said:

650 lb-ft of torque? If that's true it could tempt me into a diesel X5 next time. I thought the 450 lb-ft in mine with 400 bhp was a lot.

+1 if they put that engine in an X5 I am all over it.

Makes a lot more sense than the X5M which seems to have been a sales disaster.

[anonymous-user]

Quacker said:

kambites said:

I cringe whenever someone says something wont be a "real M-car". It makes no sense, the brand has constantly evolved from a genuine motorsport division to what is essentially just the top of the range version of each model that BMW sell. To me, this is a completely logical next step for the brand.

This. All over.

You two must be cringing so much reading this thread that everyone around you must think you have a nervous twitch

[andrewrob]

Slightly O/T but just wondering, how many other tri turbos are there? I can think of plenty of twins and quads but no tris.

[E21_Ross]

Why are people saying it'll be just a chipped diesel. Since when have m cars been exactly the same underneath as normal bmw series cars except for the engine?

[J4CKO]

I can see all the 535D owners bottom lips going now.

[wigsworld]

I'm sure it'll be a really good car but I wish car manufacturers would move away from diesel engines, they're over complicated, dirty and unreliable. The only reason we have so many diesel cars is because of our pointless obsession with c02 emissions. C02 is a harmless natural gas that doesn't cause climate change, the sooner we realise that the better off we'll be. I'm sure car manufactures could make their cars much lighter and use simple naturally aspirated petrol engines, but it's easier to make them ridiculously heavy and bolt on a turbo to every model.

[kbee540]

bodhi said:

Seems a bit pointless to me. I can't see it being a huge amount more economical than the upcoming V8 turbo M5 (especially with 4wd) - maybe 5 mpg at the most - will sound as awful as everything else fuelled by the black stuff and won't go as sideways as an M5 is supposed to if its 4wd.

So basically it's an M-Sport 5 Series with a big diesel engine. Great if you like that sort of thing I guess....

I reckon it'll be far more economical than the M5; huge great waves of torque will mean 'normal' driving will take place at barely over tickover. You're right that it won't sound as good or go as sideways. That said, how often does anyone really go sideways? The bigger problem for M purists could be that with the huge grunt and 4wd traction, a diesel 5 could prove significantly quicker than an M5 as soon as the road is anything less than bone dry.

[Luca Brasi]

Probably the best real-world car you will be able to buy.

[Mr Whippy]

Laird said:

Mr Whippy said:

Laird said:

Had to happen I guess.

I've only seen one petrol F10 since they were launched and that was a JRG 550i SE strangely. Every other new 5er has been a 520d.

The times they are a changing.

Is it more to do with company car tax rules than anything, and what companies will offer their drivers?

What if the tax rules change?

I'm sure plenty would prefer a 530d or something, but they get screwed on co car tax, which is the real deterrent.

Come resale of the stock, I bet 530d's would retain more value for feeding into the 2nd hand private market, than base spec 520d's too.


Not saying you are wrong. Times are changing, but it's the tax strategy forcing the changes. I'm sure most people would actually pay a bit more on fuel to have a nicer car, but not more on fuel AND more on co car tax etc.

Dave

I don't recall mentioning that this was a personal choice from the drivers of such cars

It's just an observation.

Times are changing... but I think the main reasons we are seeing everyone in small diesel versions, possibly with DSG type gearboxes, is driven by co car tax and very little else.

Thus times have always changed when taxes dictate, but I wouldn't say it was a social trend or technological trend, just people worrying about being screwed on tax trend

Dave

Edited by Mr Whippy on Thursday 18th August 12:30

[myhandle]

It's interesting to consider the parallel with AMG. Around 9 years ago AMG launched the C30 CDI. It was not a sales success, and was quickly dropped, without replacement. I would think that BMW will have watched this episode closely and will be trying carefully to meet market demands more accurately than the C30 did.

[slikrs]

I agree diesels are dirty and I don't find them rewarding to drive but to claim that CO2 isn't a greenhouse gas when you don't actually appear to know anything about the science but have chosen to jump on a bandwagon is a little naieve.

I found the study of closed systems and modelling of the loss of the atmosphere of Mars to be a real eye opener and when you see how many different processes lead to the eventual loss of plenetary atmosphere you'll better appreciate the relative fragility of the atmosphere and the catestrophic cascade effect of 'greenhouse' gasses (i.e. insulative) - albeit it won't happen overnight :-)