RE: BMW Diesel M Car Confirmed (Almost)
Discussion
E21_Ross said:
Why are people saying it'll be just a chipped diesel. Since when have m cars been exactly the same underneath as normal bmw series cars except for the engine?
1M shares it's engine with the 135i doesn't it? (I could be wrong) which in turn is used in the Z4 sDrive 35is (where do they get these daft names?).I know the M division do a lot of work to the Chassis etc but I think economies of scale have caught up with BMW. Pity, as I always like the idea of a halo product with a unique lump
Hmmmm S54.....wigsworld said:
I'm sure it'll be a really good car but I wish car manufacturers would move away from diesel engines, they're over complicated, dirty and unreliable. The only reason we have so many diesel cars is because of our pointless obsession with c02 emissions. C02 is a harmless natural gas that doesn't cause climate change, the sooner we realise that the better off we'll be. I'm sure car manufactures could make their cars much lighter and use simple naturally aspirated petrol engines, but it's easier to make them ridiculously heavy and bolt on a turbo to every model.
I can't address the first two complaints but unreliable? I'm on my fourth diesel BMW and have clocked up around 150'000 miles with not one problem (neither with the engine nor the cars). Where are you basing your opinion of unreliable upon?And your other claim is somewhat prejudiced and is at least 10 years out of date. The current crop of diesels are just better than normally aspirated engines (or even petrol with turbo) in many areas. I could have gone for a 3.0 litre petrol in my current BMW...but why would I have done? The diesel has so much more torque that in the real world (i.e. actually driving on roads and not on a track) it is much the faster car and gives much better overall fuel economy, which means less petrol and fewer stops. That is a lot of advantages to give up for a better throttle response and a nicer noise. Of course, I certainly appreciate normal aspirated petrol engines in sports cars but for a big family car/estate diesels are better in my view. Which is why everyone is buying them.
Schnellmann said:
wigsworld said:
I'm sure it'll be a really good car but I wish car manufacturers would move away from diesel engines, they're over complicated, dirty and unreliable. The only reason we have so many diesel cars is because of our pointless obsession with c02 emissions. C02 is a harmless natural gas that doesn't cause climate change, the sooner we realise that the better off we'll be. I'm sure car manufactures could make their cars much lighter and use simple naturally aspirated petrol engines, but it's easier to make them ridiculously heavy and bolt on a turbo to every model.
I can't address the first two complaints but unreliable? I'm on my fourth diesel BMW and have clocked up around 150'000 miles with not one problem (neither with the engine nor the cars). Where are you basing your opinion of unreliable upon?And your other claim is somewhat prejudiced and is at least 10 years out of date. The current crop of diesels are just better than normally aspirated engines (or even petrol with turbo) in many areas. I could have gone for a 3.0 litre petrol in my current BMW...but why would I have done? The diesel has so much more torque that in the real world (i.e. actually driving on roads and not on a track) it is much the faster car and gives much better overall fuel economy, which means less petrol and fewer stops. That is a lot of advantages to give up for a better throttle response and a nicer noise. Of course, I certainly appreciate normal aspirated petrol engines in sports cars but for a big family car/estate diesels are better in my view. Which is why everyone is buying them.
kbee540 said:
I reckon it'll be far more economical than the M5; huge great waves of torque will mean 'normal' driving will take place at barely over tickover. You're right that it won't sound as good or go as sideways. That said, how often does anyone really go sideways? The bigger problem for M purists could be that with the huge grunt and 4wd traction, a diesel 5 could prove significantly quicker than an M5 as soon as the road is anything less than bone dry.
personally? several times a day on the way to and from work - any place where there is an oportunity.....but that is just me and I accept I may be in the minority 
400bhp & 650ft Lbf.....
wow thats some poke.
Any speculation on its 0-100mph time? Std current 535d with the 8 speeder is 13.8 seconds so would this beast break th2 11.5 second time??
Thing is there will clearly be some who want to remap it and using the DMS x35d increases it would mean a ball park 490bhp & 800ft Lbf....... Just enough power then to satisfy all.
wow thats some poke.
Any speculation on its 0-100mph time? Std current 535d with the 8 speeder is 13.8 seconds so would this beast break th2 11.5 second time??
Thing is there will clearly be some who want to remap it and using the DMS x35d increases it would mean a ball park 490bhp & 800ft Lbf....... Just enough power then to satisfy all.
filski666 said:
personally? several times a day on the way to and from work - any place where there is an oportunity.....but that is just me and I accept I may be in the minority
Lucky man! My daily commute allows little excitement beyond the occasional death defying overtake of a tractor (and 17 cars who refuse to ever consider doing the same, happy to go 21mph for mile after mile....).To be fair, tried the sideways thing in my old 540 (6-speed manual) coming off a wet roundabout and learned a pretty good lesson about how quickly you need to unwind opposite lock in order not to slide off in the other direction. I wasn't fast enough.
Since then have tried to avoid sideways generally.bodhi said:
Schnellmann said:
Diesel cars are cheaper on company car tax. Which is why everyone is buying them.
fixed that for you.oola said:
minicab said:
Put that in the estate version, and you have yourself the perfect vehicle for blasts to winter ski resorts....
Estate for luggage - tick
Four wheel drive - tick
Diesel for economy - tick
Chassis for mountain roads - tick
Enough oomph for overtaking - tick
Agreed. The only car you'll ever need.Estate for luggage - tick
Four wheel drive - tick
Diesel for economy - tick
Chassis for mountain roads - tick
Enough oomph for overtaking - tick
Edited by chrisg330d on Thursday 18th August 13:09
I'm not against a diesel "M", as said above, times have changed and giving the customer more options isn't a bad thing.
If I was in charge, I would also look at adding additonal petrol engines to the range -smaller capacity engines for people who want an M car, but don't really need 500BHP.
This is already catered for to a degree by the Msport option, but it's not quite the same as a full M.
If I was in charge, I would also look at adding additonal petrol engines to the range -smaller capacity engines for people who want an M car, but don't really need 500BHP.
This is already catered for to a degree by the Msport option, but it's not quite the same as a full M.
chrisg330d said:
oola said:
minicab said:
Put that in the estate version, and you have yourself the perfect vehicle for blasts to winter ski resorts....
Estate for luggage - tick
Four wheel drive - tick
Diesel for economy - tick
Chassis for mountain roads - tick
Enough oomph for overtaking - tick
Agreed. The only car you'll ever need.Estate for luggage - tick
Four wheel drive - tick
Diesel for economy - tick
Chassis for mountain roads - tick
Enough oomph for overtaking - tick
triple turbo 5 ltr I6 very nice.
T1berious said:
E21_Ross said:
Why are people saying it'll be just a chipped diesel. Since when have m cars been exactly the same underneath as normal bmw series cars except for the engine?
1M shares it's engine with the 135i doesn't it? (I could be wrong) which in turn is used in the Z4 sDrive 35isLewisR said:
This isn't really THAT different from the E28 BMs, when there was an M535i and the full phat M5. The M535i had the same engine as the 535i just some of the M kit on it. No doubt, that'll be a similar aproach with the diesel M car. it'll all be about increasing revenue.
Eh? We already have the M (sport) range and have done since E28's.LewisR said:
This isn't really THAT different from the E28 BMs, when there was an M535i and the full phat M5. The M535i had the same engine as the 535i just some of the M kit on it. No doubt, that'll be a similar aproach with the diesel M car. it'll all be about increasing revenue.
Alternatively, it could have an M5 chassis with a different powerplant. Bear in mind that it was recently confirmed that the M5 would be available in some markets with a full set of driven wheels, so it wouldn't be a massive leap - and I fully expect there would be a very large market for that sort of car. 
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