RE: German Supercar Aims For 2800hp
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wonder if its updated version of a rotary engine, but its NOT a rotary engine, like this one:
http://www.smith-power.com/r12
It has only 19 moving parts
http://www.performanceboats.com/pb-open-water/8235...
http://www.offshoreonly.com/forums/general-boating...
Maybe they found a weigh for it not to be 400kg in wieght
http://www.smith-power.com/r12
It has only 19 moving parts
http://www.performanceboats.com/pb-open-water/8235...
http://www.offshoreonly.com/forums/general-boating...
Maybe they found a weigh for it not to be 400kg in wieght
Crusoe said:
Already 4 rotor convertions for 1.3lr mazda that run over 1000bhp with big turbos, and the N/A Mazda race engines were making about 750bhp for 2.6l. Adding some turbos to the race spec engine could make the power they claim [though not get anywhere near putting the power to the road for the figures] they are after, though expect to stop at every garage you pass for fuel.
Four rotor wankel sound rather fantastic too.
http://vimeo.com/13278462
That sounds mental! Four rotor wankel sound rather fantastic too.
http://vimeo.com/13278462
Like all of these Mickey Mouse projects, what they fail to grasp (usually to their ultimate cost) is that the "headline numbers" are not actually the difficult bit! Loads of power = easy, massive acceleration = easy, Huge top speed = easy. No, the really difficult bits are the much more mundane day to day things, likes doors that close properly, windscreen wipers that work, getting good cabin NVH, managing cabin HVAC, etc etc. And that's before you even get to stuff like crash performance, durability, or dealer network support etc etc.
The reason say a 911 GT3 is such a good car is mainly because it is a full working, practical and well engineered vehicle in the first place, the "performance" aspect is actually not hard to add once you have those first bits sorted.
The reason say a 911 GT3 is such a good car is mainly because it is a full working, practical and well engineered vehicle in the first place, the "performance" aspect is actually not hard to add once you have those first bits sorted.
Imagine the gearbox you're going to have to put behind a 2megawatt rotary! It will weigh as much as a small car itself.
Another thing too, the exhausts will have to be made of inconel all the way. The heat produced by this vapour car would melt anything else. Think about it, gasoline engines are roughly 18 to 20% efficient so the waste heat from this will be about 8MW or whatever that is in joules per second....
April 1st is either very late or very early.
Another thing too, the exhausts will have to be made of inconel all the way. The heat produced by this vapour car would melt anything else. Think about it, gasoline engines are roughly 18 to 20% efficient so the waste heat from this will be about 8MW or whatever that is in joules per second....
April 1st is either very late or very early.
Rocksteadyeddie said:
Crusoe said:
Already 4 rotor convertions for 1.3lr mazda that run over 1000bhp with big turbos, and the N/A Mazda race engines were making about 750bhp for 2.6l. Adding some turbos to the race spec engine could make the power they claim [though not get anywhere near putting the power to the road for the figures] they are after, though expect to stop at every garage you pass for fuel.
Four rotor wankel sound rather fantastic too.
http://vimeo.com/13278462
That sounds mental! Four rotor wankel sound rather fantastic too.
http://vimeo.com/13278462
This means the "2.6Ltr" race motor is actually over 7.8Ltr which make the performance look 'unsuprising' which is probably why they like to 'suggest' its so much smaller than it really is.
Once you start adding turbos you can have any power you want...within reason obviously.
Here we go, a bit more info from last year:
It will be offered in GT S, RS, RSR and N-Spec versions, all powered by a Mazda 13B MSP, high-performance engine with four rotors (4-Rotor rotary engine) and, depending on the model, a water-to-air intercooled turbo or biturbo system. Output ranges from 500 HP to 1200 HP for the high performance version. The engine is mated to a sequential 8-speed RSC R-SHIFT transmission controlled by a hydraulic shift system with shift times of 25-35 milliseconds.
Depending on the model, the body is of 80% glass fiber or carbon fiber and differs in details in the form and aerodynamics. The interior will get two 7" full-graphic-Diyplays, high-quality materials like carbon fiber, brushed aluminum and various types of leather
The RSC Raptor ™ GT S, RS, RSR and N-Spec does not have a conventional drive system as used in most of today’s super sports cars. He has a self-developed and heavily modified, based on parts of the Mazda 13B MSP, high-performance engine with four rotors (4-Rotor rotary engine) and, depending on the model, a water-to-air intercooled turbo or biturbo system. This engine is the heart of the RSC Raptor GT™ and gives him his very special temperament. The power output of a rotary engine uniformly grows with increasing rpm. The high-performance engine in the RSC Raptor GT™ has the redline set depending on the selected driving mode, up to 7,500 rpm or 9000 rpm. The fuel E85 is used, which is produced from rapeseed. By using this fuel to reduce the emissions by about 90% is feasible.
The sequential 8-speed RSC R-SHIFT transmission in the RSC Raptor GT™ is controlled by a hydraulic shift system with shift times of 25-35 milliseconds. Furthermore, each RSC Raptor GT™ has a carbon-aluminum drive shaft, and an electronically controlled rear axle differential.
The powertrain is controlled by an engine management system, specifically developed from Bosch Engineering GmbH for the RSC Raptor GT™, including a complete electronic system consisting of ESP, ABS, EBD, VAS, R-TRAC (traction control), R-DIFF (electronic differential) and a Launch Control. The RSC Raptor GT™ RSR and N-Spec also has an active suspension. All electronic systems can be easily operated via the buttons on the steering wheel.
It will be offered in GT S, RS, RSR and N-Spec versions, all powered by a Mazda 13B MSP, high-performance engine with four rotors (4-Rotor rotary engine) and, depending on the model, a water-to-air intercooled turbo or biturbo system. Output ranges from 500 HP to 1200 HP for the high performance version. The engine is mated to a sequential 8-speed RSC R-SHIFT transmission controlled by a hydraulic shift system with shift times of 25-35 milliseconds.
Depending on the model, the body is of 80% glass fiber or carbon fiber and differs in details in the form and aerodynamics. The interior will get two 7" full-graphic-Diyplays, high-quality materials like carbon fiber, brushed aluminum and various types of leather
The RSC Raptor ™ GT S, RS, RSR and N-Spec does not have a conventional drive system as used in most of today’s super sports cars. He has a self-developed and heavily modified, based on parts of the Mazda 13B MSP, high-performance engine with four rotors (4-Rotor rotary engine) and, depending on the model, a water-to-air intercooled turbo or biturbo system. This engine is the heart of the RSC Raptor GT™ and gives him his very special temperament. The power output of a rotary engine uniformly grows with increasing rpm. The high-performance engine in the RSC Raptor GT™ has the redline set depending on the selected driving mode, up to 7,500 rpm or 9000 rpm. The fuel E85 is used, which is produced from rapeseed. By using this fuel to reduce the emissions by about 90% is feasible.
The sequential 8-speed RSC R-SHIFT transmission in the RSC Raptor GT™ is controlled by a hydraulic shift system with shift times of 25-35 milliseconds. Furthermore, each RSC Raptor GT™ has a carbon-aluminum drive shaft, and an electronically controlled rear axle differential.
The powertrain is controlled by an engine management system, specifically developed from Bosch Engineering GmbH for the RSC Raptor GT™, including a complete electronic system consisting of ESP, ABS, EBD, VAS, R-TRAC (traction control), R-DIFF (electronic differential) and a Launch Control. The RSC Raptor GT™ RSR and N-Spec also has an active suspension. All electronic systems can be easily operated via the buttons on the steering wheel.
Edited by cookie1600 on Tuesday 30th August 14:02
KTC pure butter ghee
Kazlet said:
Dont forget that the bizarre way Mazda seem to think they can rate their engine the 1.3Ltr actually sucks in and burns 3.9Ltr of air and fule every revolution of the rotor.
This means the "2.6Ltr" race motor is actually over 7.8Ltr which make the performance look 'unsuprising' which is probably why they like to 'suggest' its so much smaller than it really is.
Once you start adding turbos you can have any power you want...within reason obviously.
That's the equivalent (on the 2800bhp "5.2 litre" car) of a 360ish bhp 2 litre engine.This means the "2.6Ltr" race motor is actually over 7.8Ltr which make the performance look 'unsuprising' which is probably why they like to 'suggest' its so much smaller than it really is.
Once you start adding turbos you can have any power you want...within reason obviously.
That's why wankel engines are so good at making big numbers, people don't use the correct maths!
Those performance figures on the website are just made up
0.9s to 100kmph
2.7s to 200kmph
fair enough, I can understand the second 100kmph taking longer than the first 100kmph, its like that with most cars but look at latter set of figures...
4.8s to 400kmph
6.1s to 500kmph
7.0s to 600kmph
so it takes 1.3s to go from 400 to 500kmph but only 0.9s to go from 500 to 600kmph.
I can't wait to see what Tom Ford thinks of it on Fifth Gear
0.9s to 100kmph
2.7s to 200kmph
fair enough, I can understand the second 100kmph taking longer than the first 100kmph, its like that with most cars but look at latter set of figures...
4.8s to 400kmph
6.1s to 500kmph
7.0s to 600kmph
so it takes 1.3s to go from 400 to 500kmph but only 0.9s to go from 500 to 600kmph.
I can't wait to see what Tom Ford thinks of it on Fifth Gear
I didn't know that. Explains why the fuel consumption is such garbage though.Gassing Station | General Gassing | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff