RE: PH Heroes: Lamborghini Miura
Discussion
Followed the lime green Miura BWA532G pictured at the start of this thread today. I was behind it for about three miles driving through Denham and Rickmansworth Herts.
It looked stunning though the body work around the exhausts was very soot stained. But the main thing was I couldn't believe how low it was, it's ridiculously low. I had no idea before. How the hell does anyone fit in it! It was a dream car of mine but at 6ft 3 I guess I can forget about it now.
I see its owned by JHW classics who must be in the Rickmansworth Area as I've seen some of the cars pictured on the website around and some are photographed outside Morr Park mansion. A stunning collection.
It looked stunning though the body work around the exhausts was very soot stained. But the main thing was I couldn't believe how low it was, it's ridiculously low. I had no idea before. How the hell does anyone fit in it! It was a dream car of mine but at 6ft 3 I guess I can forget about it now.
I see its owned by JHW classics who must be in the Rickmansworth Area as I've seen some of the cars pictured on the website around and some are photographed outside Morr Park mansion. A stunning collection.
JAM35F said:
Followed the lime green Miura BWA532G pictured at the start of this thread today. I was behind it for about three miles driving through Denham and Rickmansworth Herts.
It looked stunning though the body work around the exhausts was very soot stained. But the main thing was I couldn't believe how low it was, it's ridiculously low. I had no idea before. How the hell does anyone fit in it! It was a dream car of mine but at 6ft 3 I guess I can forget about it now.
I see its owned by JHW classics who must be in the Rickmansworth Area as I've seen some of the cars pictured on the website around and some are photographed outside Morr Park mansion. A stunning collection.
You're the same height as me & i fit in them (sat in one, yet to drive one), also seen fatty Clarkson driving one on an old TG & at 6'5" he fits in.It looked stunning though the body work around the exhausts was very soot stained. But the main thing was I couldn't believe how low it was, it's ridiculously low. I had no idea before. How the hell does anyone fit in it! It was a dream car of mine but at 6ft 3 I guess I can forget about it now.
I see its owned by JHW classics who must be in the Rickmansworth Area as I've seen some of the cars pictured on the website around and some are photographed outside Morr Park mansion. A stunning collection.
<note....i didn't say it was comfy;)>I had a little trip over to northern Italy last year and made a point to pop into the Lamborghini 'museum'. Being effectively a showroom it contained one of all the major models up until about 2000 and had 2 original Muira sv and the modern concept. I preferred the original purely because its dimensions were perfect, small, neat and looked amazing from all angles. The modern one, and I know its a cliché, looked bloated and more like a muscle car. The original by comparison was lithe and supple looking, I could have looked at it all day.
The bit that surprised me was just how compact the engine and gearbox are, they're absolutely tiny, it would probably fit under the bonnet of most modern hatchbacks. It's design made me a bit depressed knowing how modern parts sharing of manufacturers means that really clever and neat designs like that are so much less likely to appear.
The bit that surprised me was just how compact the engine and gearbox are, they're absolutely tiny, it would probably fit under the bonnet of most modern hatchbacks. It's design made me a bit depressed knowing how modern parts sharing of manufacturers means that really clever and neat designs like that are so much less likely to appear.
thewheelman said:
I already replied about this, he had a blue one, & a yellow one, one of 9 rhd's made.
"Rock-and-roll star Rod Stewart was no stranger to the Lamborghini Miura, the world's first mid-engined supercar-he has owned both a Miura S and SV. When he ordered the right-hand drive SV shown here, he specified a bright yellow finish with dark blue leather upholstery. He also ordered air conditioning, which was relatively novel on a GT car, and a Philips radio/cassette with a recording function.
Only 142 SVs were made, nine of which were right-hand-drive. Stewart kept his until 1985. During that time it appears to have played a significant part in his lifestyle-when he sold it, there were marks from stiletto heels in the headliner. If this car could talk it might bring a blush to the cheeks of many a glamorous model and actress."
Here's the yellow one..... (factory restored to new condition)
When the second owner bought the car in 1985 it had 18,000 miles on the clock and he undertook a sympathetic restoration. The chassis and body were stripped and the coachwork repainted in the correct shade of yellow, with the cabin retrimmed in blue Connolly to match the original. Del Hopkins fitted new carburetors and the suspension was rebuilt. The engine was found to be in excellent condition so was serviced rather than opened. Being a late-production SV, it of course has the desirable split-sump lubrication.
Since completion of this work, Rod Stewart's Miura SV has covered another 11,000 miles. It was featured in Classic Cars magazine in January 1995, where it was summed up as "an intrinsically special car to jump into and drive whenever you need to feel good about the world."
S/N 4818 still has Rod Stewart's name in the logbook, plus the SV Owner's Handbook and a file of invoices. A copy of the Coltrin/Marchet Miura book is also included, signed by Ferruccio Lamborghini, for the vendor.
This car sold for $122,460, including buyer's premium, at the Bonhams Goodwood auction, September 6, 2002.
Lamborghini's Chief Development Engineer, Bob Wallace, built the legendary one-off Miura Jota in 1969 as an experimental project sanctioned by Chief Engineer Paolo Stanzini. Some of the technical knowledge gained in the project was employed for the Miura's ultimate version, the Miura P400SV. The SV, introduced at the Geneva Salon of 1971, came to symbolize the very best version of Lamborghini's famous Miura.
The SV (standing for Spinto Veloce, which literally translates to "tuned fast") featured a wider rear track, revised suspension geometry, a reinforced chassis, a split sump separating gearbox and engine oil (employed in the last 96 SVs built), hotter cam timing, bigger inlet valves and upgraded Weber carburetors making power and torque increases to 385 bhp and 289 pounds-feet, respectively.
Cosmetically, the SV received wider 9-inch Campagnolo rear wheels, wider rear fenders, deletion of the grilled "eyelashes" around the headlights, new larger three-section Altissimo taillights and a revised front bumper with parking lamps. The SV's improvements over previous Miuras led Bob Wallace to describe it as a "different car" by comparison in terms of handling and performance.
This car's refurbishment by Del Hopkins is a huge plus, as he is one of a handful of Lamborghini specialists who really know these cars. 4818 is a split-sump car with factory-installed air conditioning-the ultimate specification for a Miura SV, and another point in the car's favor.
4818's only visible exterior fault is the application of the rear SV badges a tad askew (to the left), courtesy perhaps of the time when the car was repainted. Correction involves welding up the holes drilled into the wrong place in the rear aluminum panel, and paintwork before the badges can be correctly repositioned.
Of greater concern is the status of this car's engine. Wallace himself reminds us that these engines were good for about 30,000 miles, which is exactly how far this example has traveled. If 4818's engine has not been opened yet, as the catalog infers, the new owner should expect a very expensive rebuild in the not-too-distant future.
Miura SV values are substantially softer in Europe than in the US, perhaps due to the fact that they seem to come to the marketplace more often (three SVs have been sold by auction in Europe this year with another three advertised for sale). Also, the majority of cars offered there are original, unrestored cars that are simply worth less. By way of example, 4818 brought close to $150,000 less than 5064, a fully restored SV sold by Christie's during Pebble Beach weekend this past August for $270,000, and its $122,460 all-in price should be considered a fantastic bargain for the attentive English car dealer who purchased it. No doubt this car will be on offer in the near future for significantly more than its sale price.
With perhaps 100 examples of roadworthy SVs and just a mere handful of truly well-restored cars in existence, SV values can only go upwards over time. In America a good SV was a $150,000 car five years ago, with a Ferrari Daytona in similar condition being the same price. Today very nice examples of an SV are more like $250,000, with Daytonas bringing only half that number in many cases.-Joe Sackey
This car was owned by the father of a friend of mine - I suspect the owner who sold it in 2002. I had a good nose around it and sat in it (sadly no keys to hand to start it up !) around 1999 - certainly didn't see any sign of the oft-mentioned stiletto prints in the head-lining ! Whilst I don't recall a huge amount of detail, I do remember thinking that the car certainly felt its age in terms of overall condition."Rock-and-roll star Rod Stewart was no stranger to the Lamborghini Miura, the world's first mid-engined supercar-he has owned both a Miura S and SV. When he ordered the right-hand drive SV shown here, he specified a bright yellow finish with dark blue leather upholstery. He also ordered air conditioning, which was relatively novel on a GT car, and a Philips radio/cassette with a recording function.
Only 142 SVs were made, nine of which were right-hand-drive. Stewart kept his until 1985. During that time it appears to have played a significant part in his lifestyle-when he sold it, there were marks from stiletto heels in the headliner. If this car could talk it might bring a blush to the cheeks of many a glamorous model and actress."
Here's the yellow one..... (factory restored to new condition)
When the second owner bought the car in 1985 it had 18,000 miles on the clock and he undertook a sympathetic restoration. The chassis and body were stripped and the coachwork repainted in the correct shade of yellow, with the cabin retrimmed in blue Connolly to match the original. Del Hopkins fitted new carburetors and the suspension was rebuilt. The engine was found to be in excellent condition so was serviced rather than opened. Being a late-production SV, it of course has the desirable split-sump lubrication.
Since completion of this work, Rod Stewart's Miura SV has covered another 11,000 miles. It was featured in Classic Cars magazine in January 1995, where it was summed up as "an intrinsically special car to jump into and drive whenever you need to feel good about the world."
S/N 4818 still has Rod Stewart's name in the logbook, plus the SV Owner's Handbook and a file of invoices. A copy of the Coltrin/Marchet Miura book is also included, signed by Ferruccio Lamborghini, for the vendor.
This car sold for $122,460, including buyer's premium, at the Bonhams Goodwood auction, September 6, 2002.
Lamborghini's Chief Development Engineer, Bob Wallace, built the legendary one-off Miura Jota in 1969 as an experimental project sanctioned by Chief Engineer Paolo Stanzini. Some of the technical knowledge gained in the project was employed for the Miura's ultimate version, the Miura P400SV. The SV, introduced at the Geneva Salon of 1971, came to symbolize the very best version of Lamborghini's famous Miura.
The SV (standing for Spinto Veloce, which literally translates to "tuned fast") featured a wider rear track, revised suspension geometry, a reinforced chassis, a split sump separating gearbox and engine oil (employed in the last 96 SVs built), hotter cam timing, bigger inlet valves and upgraded Weber carburetors making power and torque increases to 385 bhp and 289 pounds-feet, respectively.
Cosmetically, the SV received wider 9-inch Campagnolo rear wheels, wider rear fenders, deletion of the grilled "eyelashes" around the headlights, new larger three-section Altissimo taillights and a revised front bumper with parking lamps. The SV's improvements over previous Miuras led Bob Wallace to describe it as a "different car" by comparison in terms of handling and performance.
This car's refurbishment by Del Hopkins is a huge plus, as he is one of a handful of Lamborghini specialists who really know these cars. 4818 is a split-sump car with factory-installed air conditioning-the ultimate specification for a Miura SV, and another point in the car's favor.
4818's only visible exterior fault is the application of the rear SV badges a tad askew (to the left), courtesy perhaps of the time when the car was repainted. Correction involves welding up the holes drilled into the wrong place in the rear aluminum panel, and paintwork before the badges can be correctly repositioned.
Of greater concern is the status of this car's engine. Wallace himself reminds us that these engines were good for about 30,000 miles, which is exactly how far this example has traveled. If 4818's engine has not been opened yet, as the catalog infers, the new owner should expect a very expensive rebuild in the not-too-distant future.
Miura SV values are substantially softer in Europe than in the US, perhaps due to the fact that they seem to come to the marketplace more often (three SVs have been sold by auction in Europe this year with another three advertised for sale). Also, the majority of cars offered there are original, unrestored cars that are simply worth less. By way of example, 4818 brought close to $150,000 less than 5064, a fully restored SV sold by Christie's during Pebble Beach weekend this past August for $270,000, and its $122,460 all-in price should be considered a fantastic bargain for the attentive English car dealer who purchased it. No doubt this car will be on offer in the near future for significantly more than its sale price.
With perhaps 100 examples of roadworthy SVs and just a mere handful of truly well-restored cars in existence, SV values can only go upwards over time. In America a good SV was a $150,000 car five years ago, with a Ferrari Daytona in similar condition being the same price. Today very nice examples of an SV are more like $250,000, with Daytonas bringing only half that number in many cases.-Joe Sackey
Edited by thewheelman on Sunday 4th September 16:12
the green Miura features at the start of this video - I've no idea why the picture is compressed
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E0kaZCTZIKU&fea...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E0kaZCTZIKU&fea...
ZOLLAR said:
I presume this the XJ220 you're referring too
I'm going to the NEC this year didn't get a chance to do a ride along last year so hopefully will this year
Yup, the JHW Classics XJ220 will be available for Dream Rides at the NEC on 11,12 and 13 November. We will also be offering rides in JHW Classics' Delorean DMC-12, on the Saturday and the Sunday.I'm going to the NEC this year didn't get a chance to do a ride along last year so hopefully will this year
JAM35F said:
How the hell does anyone fit in it! It was a dream car of mine but at 6ft 3 I guess I can forget about it now.
You'd be surprised - I'm 6'1" and generously proportioned, and don't have any trouble!JHWClassics said:
Yup, the JHW Classics XJ220 will be available for Dream Rides at the NEC on 11,12 and 13 November. We will also be offering rides in JHW Classics' Delorean DMC-12, on the Saturday and the Sunday.
Hi, welcome, and 
to thatJHWClassics said:
You'd be surprised - I'm 6'1" and generously proportioned, and don't have any trouble!
from this I now realise it's you and not your mum posting good to see you've still got your Copen, Sheila's was one of the first official dealer import ones but after yours
see you at SBDR at the NEC
JHWClassics said:
ZOLLAR said:
I presume this the XJ220 you're referring too
I'm going to the NEC this year didn't get a chance to do a ride along last year so hopefully will this year
Yup, the JHW Classics XJ220 will be available for Dream Rides at the NEC on 11,12 and 13 November. We will also be offering rides in JHW Classics' Delorean DMC-12, on the Saturday and the Sunday.I'm going to the NEC this year didn't get a chance to do a ride along last year so hopefully will this year
JAM35F said:
How the hell does anyone fit in it! It was a dream car of mine but at 6ft 3 I guess I can forget about it now.
You'd be surprised - I'm 6'1" and generously proportioned, and don't have any trouble!ZOLLAR said:
Is the Miura being used for passenger rides?, last year it was just for show but would really like to have a ride in one!.
previously it has been on static display, often on the Sporting Bears standsbut it appears it might have been used for Sporting Bears Dream Rides at one SBDR event at SuperCar Sunday at Gaydon a few years ago
JHW have been great supporters of Sporting Bears Dream Rides and the Sporting Bears Motor Club for many years
na said:
ZOLLAR said:
Is the Miura being used for passenger rides?, last year it was just for show but would really like to have a ride in one!.
previously it has been on static display, often on the Sporting Bears standsbut it appears it might have been used for Sporting Bears Dream Rides at one SBDR event at SuperCar Sunday at Gaydon a few years ago
JHW have been great supporters of Sporting Bears Dream Rides and the Sporting Bears Motor Club for many years
ZOLLAR said:
Any Idea if it's being used for the NEC show in november?.
I very much doubt but I don't for sure the XJ220 and De Loren have been offered over 3 days this is quite a commitment in time let alone petrol, oil, insurance mileage, wear and tear ect. - always gladly given for many years and many eventsthere is never a guarantee of what cars will be available at anytime cars and drivers can suddenly become unavailable for many understandable reasons
na said:
very much doubt but I don't for sure the XJ220 and De Loren have been offered over 3 days this is quite a commitment in time let alone petrol, oil, insurance mileage, wear and tear ect. - always gladly given for many years and many events
there is never a guarantee of what cars will be available at anytime cars and drivers can suddenly become unavailable for many understandable reasons
It's always a real pleasure taking part in Dream Rides, and JHW will always continue to do so.there is never a guarantee of what cars will be available at anytime cars and drivers can suddenly become unavailable for many understandable reasons
The current plan is not to bring the Miura to the NEC in November 2011, unfortunately. With a car of this age and condition, we would have to limit the number of rides it could do on a daily basis anyway. That's not to say it will never be available for Dream Rides, mind.
However, I can highly recommend taking a ride in either the XJ220 (piloted by it's exceptionally competent lady driver) or the Delorean (complete with BTTF soundtrack), both of which will either be available for rides, or available for viewing on the hard shoulder of the M40!
JHWClassics said:
or available for viewing on the hard shoulder of the M40!
hey don't say that, I slipped the fan belt on my car last year at the top of the hill and my passenger had to be taken back in the XJ220I'll restrict the Midget's power this year to stop it happening again
sorry about the missing words in my last post, I knew what I meant
all being well we'll have another classic Fiat 500 on the SBDRs this year - I remember well the day you bought yours as it still is the only car to go out and come back to applause
and take the roundabouts flat out
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