RE: SOTW: BMW M5
Discussion
will261058 said:
eems a lot for the work needed unless it was one of the late models with the Nurburgring suspension, which is very expensive to renew though I believe you can get the shocks reconditioned these days for a good bit less than new ones!
Shame the refurb shocks were a bit s
t!B'stard Child said:
Tango13 said:
J4CKO said:
olly22n said:
T16OLE said:
J4CKO said:
Look at the price of old Escorts as a case in point, a 2 lb tub of genuine MK1 Escort rust goes for seven to ten grand, manky old Sierra Cosworths go for silly money, Integrales are 20k plus and this is a genuine M5 for a grand.
Really good point thereEscort Mk1&2 - Competition Pedigree
Sierra Cosworth - Competition Pedigree
Integrale - Competition Pedigree
M5 - ?
E30 M3 - Competition Pedigree
This Carlton ran in Thundersaloons and it wasn't powered by a 3.6 straight six with two turbos
It had a V8 (american origin)
Well there's always the Cecotto and Winkelhock editions of one really needs a touch of motorsport in one's M5. But they were never billed as "race cars for the road" or any such thing - neither was the ALPINA B10 Bi-Turbo or Lotus Carlton - they were all just fast road saloons.
Although M5s have been the "Ring-Taxi" for a good few years now (that may have started with E39), so they can't be *too* shabby in that environment.
Although M5s have been the "Ring-Taxi" for a good few years now (that may have started with E39), so they can't be *too* shabby in that environment.
D_T_W said:
will261058 said:
eems a lot for the work needed unless it was one of the late models with the Nurburgring suspension, which is very expensive to renew though I believe you can get the shocks reconditioned these days for a good bit less than new ones!
Shame the refurb shocks were a bit st!Slurms said:
will261058 said:
Munter said:
I remember a friend buying one of those for ~£3k a few years ago. Apart from:
Duff shocks
Broken speedo
bent suspension arm
2 oil leaks on the engine
a random sensor I forget which
and Birds asking for £6k to fix it all.
It was a great buy!...ummm
Seems a lot for the work needed unless it was one of the late models with the Nurburgring suspension, which is very expensive to renew though I believe you can get the shocks reconditioned these days for a good bit less than new ones!Duff shocks
Broken speedo
bent suspension arm
2 oil leaks on the engine
a random sensor I forget which
and Birds asking for £6k to fix it all.
It was a great buy!...ummm
Nope, it was one of the very early 3.6 5-speed models... It was just in need of a total suspension overhaul and replacement. Though I believe Birds quote was for OEM parts so might have been cheaper going for some third party bits.
The 3.6 doesn't have the full four corner Nürburgring suspension, however they do still have EH self-levelling rear suspension - shared with the standard E32 750i, which also had the option of switchable EDC, I've had one of each and neither have given me headaches, although it is linked in with the steering set up and I presently have a leaky steering box that consumes a litre of CHF every 40 miles or so - at £15/litre. An interesting bill in waiting there and so it can be with an E34 M5 3.6.
Both systems can be "deleted", but that route relies on having a very competent mechanic and auto-electrician and is quite time consuming, plus I and many other fans that I know wouldn't even consider buying one that has had the factory suspension removed, seeing as it's a large part of what makes an M5, an M5 and differentiates it from the regular Fives to as much of an extent as the engine. But only a drive in a fit one can tell you that, after which, you'd not be happy with a dog of one and the cost of making i tso would outstrip the cost of buying a good one in the first place.
Both systems can be "deleted", but that route relies on having a very competent mechanic and auto-electrician and is quite time consuming, plus I and many other fans that I know wouldn't even consider buying one that has had the factory suspension removed, seeing as it's a large part of what makes an M5, an M5 and differentiates it from the regular Fives to as much of an extent as the engine. But only a drive in a fit one can tell you that, after which, you'd not be happy with a dog of one and the cost of making i tso would outstrip the cost of buying a good one in the first place.
johnpeat said:
Need to remind people that this is a shed thing - not a 'restore' thing and not even a 'fixer upper' thing.
As someone else put it - better than I ever could - it's a "managed retreat" situation, you drive it, ignoring stuff which doesn't work but doesn't affect the car's usefulness, until something breaks which DOES affect it's usefulness - when you scrap it.
Buying a car which needs a clutch - even if the parts included - is not shedding, really - you're starting on the wrong foot entirely
Ha, yes! I think that was from the W140 Mercedes a few weeks back. As someone else put it - better than I ever could - it's a "managed retreat" situation, you drive it, ignoring stuff which doesn't work but doesn't affect the car's usefulness, until something breaks which DOES affect it's usefulness - when you scrap it.
Buying a car which needs a clutch - even if the parts included - is not shedding, really - you're starting on the wrong foot entirely
You're right SOTW is exactly that; when something breaks you don't repair it, you just run it until something breaks which kills the car.
As such, this M5 isn't really a shed of the week at all - just a particularly interesting restoration project and thus entirely different to last weeks Jag which was a fully usable car. I guess SOTW is about more than just a practical and interesting motor for a grand. It is about dreams; this M5 is the perfect answer to the 'if only' feeling felt by Eurobox owners as they trudge to work in their shiny A4. If only I had the time, if only I had the space, if only I had a spare grand... if... if... if...
Zwoelf said:
Riggers said:
LHD said:
Riggers said:
LHD said:
The car is now no more. 
Remind us of its fate again? (if you can choke back the tears)I sold it to a chap who was going to fix her up but the car has now been scrapped.
Laird said:
Zwoelf said:
Riggers said:
LHD said:
Riggers said:
LHD said:
The car is now no more.
Remind us of its fate again? (if you can choke back the tears)I sold it to a chap who was going to fix her up but the car has now been scrapped.
Great shed. I don't buy all this money pit fear. It's spending at most grand for a bit of fun for an unknown period of time. Seller might of course take less.
The clutch hasn't gone yet and a spare comes with the sale.
Buy it. Get AA/RAC European breakdown cover and drive it across Europe taking in as many old and current F1 tracks, mountain passes, tunnels as you can. When, if, it dies before you get back to the UK call the AA to take you home.
The clutch hasn't gone yet and a spare comes with the sale.
Buy it. Get AA/RAC European breakdown cover and drive it across Europe taking in as many old and current F1 tracks, mountain passes, tunnels as you can. When, if, it dies before you get back to the UK call the AA to take you home.
Agent Orange said:
Great shed. I don't buy all this money pit fear. It's spending at most grand for a bit of fun for an unknown period of time. Seller might of course take less.
The clutch hasn't gone yet and a spare comes with the sale.
Buy it. Get AA/RAC European breakdown cover and drive it across Europe taking in as many old and current F1 tracks, mountain passes, tunnels as you can. When, if, it dies before you get back to the UK call the AA to take you home.
How naive The clutch hasn't gone yet and a spare comes with the sale.
Buy it. Get AA/RAC European breakdown cover and drive it across Europe taking in as many old and current F1 tracks, mountain passes, tunnels as you can. When, if, it dies before you get back to the UK call the AA to take you home.
Trust me; at a grand, you'd do well to get it to the end of the seller's drive.
johnpeat said:
For a smidge under £40 a year I get nationwide recovery (that's car to a garage of my choice and me home) including home-start - anyone paying £20 a month is an idiot.
I have limited claims of course (5 in total - no more than 2 for any 1 problem) but how many are you planning to make?
I'm an idiot with the AAI have limited claims of course (5 in total - no more than 2 for any 1 problem) but how many are you planning to make?
But not for much longer heard about Brittania REcovery the other day, will be going with them next year.
Skyedriver said:
johnpeat said:
For a smidge under £40 a year I get nationwide recovery (that's car to a garage of my choice and me home) including home-start - anyone paying £20 a month is an idiot.
I have limited claims of course (5 in total - no more than 2 for any 1 problem) but how many are you planning to make?
I'm an idiot with the AAI have limited claims of course (5 in total - no more than 2 for any 1 problem) but how many are you planning to make?
But not for much longer heard about Brittania REcovery the other day, will be going with them next year.
Laird said:
How naive
Trust me; at a grand, you'd do well to get it to the end of the seller's drive.
I've taken this £99 Legacy that had been idle in a field for 18 months to Rimini and back. Via Stelvio and god knows how many other passes, Maranello, Imola, Monza, Nurburgring and Spa. The fan was hard wired to the battery with a manual switch duct taped to the dash, it was drinking about a litre of oil a day but got us there and back.Trust me; at a grand, you'd do well to get it to the end of the seller's drive.
All we did mechanically was fit a couple of new (used) sensors, battery, exhaust and tyres and repair a leak on the intercooler.
All I'm saying is its a £1000 ticket to a driving holiday. The car has only got to do 2000 miles and who cares what state it is in at the end?
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