Frontera up Snowdon

[colonel c]

Shirley there must be grounds for an appeal.

[TheHeretic]

NightRunner said:

What would happen if say 50 members of a local 4x4 club did the same, in convoy?



And then people kept doing it, just to make a point....

I said at the time, they should have a 4x4 trail going up there, that is challenging, and folks pay to use it. That would pay for upkeep beyond the trail, hopefully stop any of these 'dangerous drivers' (), from doing it in future, and everyone's a winner, (except for ramblers, who oppose any access except for themselves).

[thinfourth2]

How does this relate to folk who do offroad trials

I often seen folk roll their car while competing in trials

Should they be in jail also?

[TheHeretic]

thinfourth2 said:

How does this relate to folk who do offroad trials

I often seen folk roll their car while competing in trials

Should they be in jail also?

No, because there are people around then... This guy did it when no-one was around, therefore far more dangerous, and liable to kill a passing rambler.

He does sound like a knob, but 22 months for being a knob who harmed no-one?

[thinfourth2]

TheHeretic said:

thinfourth2 said:

How does this relate to folk who do offroad trials

I often seen folk roll their car while competing in trials

Should they be in jail also?

No, because there are people around then... This guy did it when no-one was around, therefore far more dangerous, and liable to kill a passing rambler.

He does sound like a knob, but 22 months for being a knob who harmed no-one?

I drove into the field next to my house today

There was no one around

Should i be in jail?


The farmer does it everyday.

He should be hung the dangerous bd

[TheHeretic]

thinfourth2 said:

I drove into the field next to my house today

There was no one around

Should i be in jail?


The farmer does it everyday.

He should be hung the dangerous bd

Yes you should. prepare for some sort of CO19 unit to knock on your door with a heavy implement and announce their arrival with some pretty flashbangs.

[jhonn]

It seems very harsh - history is full of the courts handing out unduly punitive sentences that are out of context with the perceived 'crimes' committed. I hope in the case of Mr Williams he has support, or a groundswell of opinion who will lobby on his part - if not, he is likely to serve his sentence, and ultimately be forgotten. A hard lesson.

[VX Foxy]

TheTurbonator said:

Those police camera action roadwars programs really piss me off sometimes. Some idiot will drive like a nutter with several police cars following him, he'll do over a ton on residential streets, drive down the wrong side of the road and roundabouts into oncoming traffic, miss cars and sometimes pedestrians by millimetres, nearly lose control a couple of times, finally he'll be stopped either by a cop car blocking him and then getting rammed or he'll crash, causing thousands of pounds worth of damage to a innocent motorist or/and to street furniture.

Then the narrator will inform us he had no driving licence and that he was given a 12 month driving ban. I'm sorry but why would someone with no licence and who drives like that care about a ban?

This guy gets 22 months in jail for slowly driving up a deserted mountain.

Agree entirely.

This country is going mental.

[hairyben]

TheTurbonator said:

Those police camera action roadwars programs really piss me off sometimes. Some idiot will drive like a nutter with several police cars following him, he'll do over a ton on residential streets, drive down the wrong side of the road and roundabouts into oncoming traffic, miss cars and sometimes pedestrians by millimetres, nearly lose control a couple of times, finally he'll be stopped either by a cop car blocking him and then getting rammed or he'll crash, causing thousands of pounds worth of damage to a innocent motorist or/and to street furniture.

Then the narrator will inform us he had no driving licence and that he was given a 12 month driving ban. I'm sorry but why would someone with no licence and who drives like that care about a ban?

This guy gets 22 months in jail for slowly driving up a deserted mountain.

Insubordination > any other criminal act.

Take for example, the comparison that being "unaware" of how fast you were going, even to seemingly ludicrous degree's, is considered by courts a lesser crime than deliberately speeding despite surely presenting a greater danger to others.

[Usget]

Absolute joke. I echo the sentiments of those who have compared this with the slaps on the wrist handed out to joyriders... If you did this in almost any other country, other than the USA perhaps, they'd give you a ticking off and tell you to drive it back down again.