Ringing kits for sale on ebay...No not on our watch!

[Cliftonite]

FunkyChucker said:

Any better?

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/land-rover-series-2-chas...

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/TRIUMPH-VITESSE-mk1-CONV...

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/REMAINS-OF-LAND-ROVER-SE...

Edited by FunkyChucker on Sunday 6th April 23:46

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Yes! Much worse!

All reported to eBay.

[lowdrag]

So what would you say to this, dear people? Of course, we would need a wrecked car to recreate:-

http://www.autoblog.com/2014/03/21/factory-five-su...

Would you approve, or denounce?

[Kinkell]

Is this enough of a chassis to sell with a v5 without being reported.

[singlecoil]

lowdrag said:

So what would you say to this, dear people? Of course, we would need a wrecked car to recreate:-

http://www.autoblog.com/2014/03/21/factory-five-su...

Would you approve, or denounce?

There's nothing to denounce. Anyone building such a kit would need to submit it for IVA testing.

[shakotan]

Kinkell said:

Is this enough of a chassis to sell with a v5 without being reported.

Nope, it is not 'complete' and therefore the vehicle ID has been lost in the eyes of the DVLA.

[Steffan]

shakotan said:

Kinkell said:

Is this enough of a chassis to sell with a v5 without being reported.

Nope, it is not 'complete' and therefore the vehicle ID has been lost in the eyes of the DVLA.

Absolutely spot in IMO. Complete means complete. I think repaired outriggers on a Herald chassis might be allowable but wholesale front end removal would never be acceptable to the DVLA. They are getting very tricky nowadays because their jobs are not very safe IMO. I have had a lot of trouble getting age related plates on the three kit cars that I have got through IVA so far this year. I no longer buy half built kit cars unless the provenance of the kit and all the original donor receipts and history with the V5 are present for that reason.

Just got a Banham Sprite through on an early Mini chassis which was a hell of a job. Nice car now on a private plate and with a Wood and Picket 998 engine really quite a driver. Registered on a private plate but I do caution every aspiring builder to be aware that the old days of just using the donor identity are long gone unless you have all the documentation and provenance on the history of the car. Even then it is still a very bureaucratic job. Paperwork MUST be in apple pie order, if that is not a terminological exactitude in itself.

[shakotan]

Steffan said:

shakotan said:

Kinkell said:

Is this enough of a chassis to sell with a v5 without being reported.

Nope, it is not 'complete' and therefore the vehicle ID has been lost in the eyes of the DVLA.

Absolutely spot in IMO. Complete means complete. I think repaired outriggers on a Herald chassis might be allowable but wholesale front end removal would never be acceptable to the DVLA. They are getting very tricky nowadays because their jobs are not very safe IMO. I have had a lot of trouble getting age related plates on the three kit cars that I have got through IVA so far this year. I no longer buy half built kit cars unless the provenance of the kit and all the original donor receipts and history with the V5 are present for that reason.

Just got a Banham Sprite through on an early Mini chassis which was a hell of a job. Nice car now on a private plate and with a Wood and Picket 998 engine really quite a driver. Registered on a private plate but I do caution every aspiring builder to be aware that the old days of just using the donor identity are long gone unless you have all the documentation and provenance on the history of the car. Even then it is still a very bureaucratic job. Paperwork MUST be in apple pie order, if that is not a terminological exactitude in itself.

Outriggers to fall under the 'exemption' list, they must comply to the original position and shape of those they are replacing to remain legal.

[Liquid Knight]

lowdrag said:

So what would you say to this, dear people? Of course, we would need a wrecked car to recreate:-

http://www.autoblog.com/2014/03/21/factory-five-su...

Would you approve, or denounce?

Completely different licensing laws in America and those vary from state to state. Provided someone looks at a car and says...

"it looks like a..."

...that's good enough for some but in others if you fit the wrong wheel nuts you can be in trouble if you try to register the car as original.

A few Factory Five kits have made their way over here and as far as I know they have all been registered on "Q" plates.

[Steffan]

shakotan said:

Steffan said:

shakotan said:

Kinkell said:

Is this enough of a chassis to sell with a v5 without being reported.

Nope, it is not 'complete' and therefore the vehicle ID has been lost in the eyes of the DVLA.

Absolutely spot in IMO. Complete means complete. I think repaired outriggers on a Herald chassis might be allowable but wholesale front end removal would never be acceptable to the DVLA. They are getting very tricky nowadays because their jobs are not very safe IMO. I have had a lot of trouble getting age related plates on the three kit cars that I have got through IVA so far this year. I no longer buy half built kit cars unless the provenance of the kit and all the original donor receipts and history with the V5 are present for that reason.

Just got a Banham Sprite through on an early Mini chassis which was a hell of a job. Nice car now on a private plate and with a Wood and Picket 998 engine really quite a driver. Registered on a private plate but I do caution every aspiring builder to be aware that the old days of just using the donor identity are long gone unless you have all the documentation and provenance on the history of the car. Even then it is still a very bureaucratic job. Paperwork MUST be in apple pie order, if that is not a terminological exactitude in itself.

Outriggers to fall under the 'exemption' list, they must comply to the original position and shape of those they are replacing to remain legal.

Indeed. TBH it really is becoming difficult to get modified cars through on an age related plate and good provenance on te donor car and receipts for all parts is essential. I had the Mimi history with the uncompleted kit car and all the old mots and the current v5 and receipts for everything used. Otherwise do not buy such a car. Q plate cars are not my cup of tea but I do appreciate others see no problem and good luck to them. I can foresee such uncompleted kits becoming almost unsaleable. The scrap value would be very little and the cost of completing them can be prohibitive. I used to complete RobinHoods. I would not consider that now because it would be much cheaper to buy a completed registered car and sort out the defects which there usually are in many of the cars offered.

Edited by Steffan on Monday 14th April 19:31

[digger the goat]

There is a Scimitar on ebay which I'm unsure of !

Rolling chassis with 'log book and vin'.

[marshalla]

digger the goat said:

There is a Scimitar on ebay which I'm unsure of !

Rolling chassis with 'log book and vin'.

This one http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/RELIANT-SCIMITAR-GTE-6A-... ? (which is OK)
or this one http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/SCIMITAR-CHASSIS-GALVANI... (which is also OK)
or this one http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Reliant-Scimitar-Breakin... (which seems less OK) ?

(don't get me started on all the VIN plates which also appear under "scimitar chassis")

[Astacus]

What about this oddity

item 221415813029

Its nothing at all like a spitty chassis and you can buy the paperwork only, for 150 quid

[Liquid Knight]

Astacus said:

What about this oddity

item 221415813029

Its nothing at all like a spitty chassis and you can buy the paperwork only, for 150 quid

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/221415813029?ru=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.co.uk%2Fsch%2Fi.html%3F_sacat%3D0%26_from%3DR40%26_nkw%3D221415813029%26_rdc%3D1

It's a Reliant Rebel chassis with a VIN plate and log book for a 74 Spitfire included.

I've seen a few Spitfire, Herald, and Vitesse chassis modified to take a conventional rear axle but a Reliant one?

Lucky it's a complete chassis and not a conversion as soon as you try putting any decent torque through that thing it would melt.

[Cliftonite]

IMO deserves to be reported to eBay and it has been.

Whether eBay will do owt about it, though, when they see a chassis of sorts is anyone's guess.

[Steffan]

Cliftonite said:

IMO deserves to be reported to eBay and it has been.

Whether eBay will do owt about it, though, when they see a chassis of sorts is anyone's guess.

Absolutely spot on. Such dishonest offers are undermining the classic and kit car markets and bad news for all genuine restorers and builders. As the consequences of IVA and the costs thereof have filtered through the unfinished kit car market there has been more and more of this nonsense.

Unfinished kit cars now unless really well supported with documentation for the donor and the current V5 and full receipts and good provenance for all the donor plates are of very little value indeed unregistered and a Q plate is the best you can get IF you can actually get the car registered in the absence of those requirements. Really better viewed as spare only nowadays. Being old enough to have built a significant number of kit cars over the years I do realise how much of a downer this is to aspiring owners, which is a great pity. But there it is and the primary reason for so many "barn finds!!" etc on the bay.

[tr7v8]

Is it me or is there a faint whiff of dodgy over this?

201072914951
or
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Porsche-964-Carrera-2-wi...

[Liquid Knight]

Could do with a "like" button for this Rebel/Spitfire debate.

The 964 looks nice, £8,000 is th right sort of money; but the VIN plate was taken off to repair damage to the luggage area and no V5C would suggest Cat' B, C, or D write off.

If someone wants £8,000 for something £40 for a VIC check, £25 for a new log book and £35 for an M.O.T (fail sheet) isn't a lot to ask.

[Cliftonite]

Cliftonite said:

IMO deserves to be reported to eBay and it has been.

Whether eBay will do owt about it, though, when they see a chassis of sorts is anyone's guess.

The Reliant Spitfire fraud kit is still for sale on eBay:

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/221415813029?ru=http%3A%...

Please get those Reports sent in!!

[Steffan]

Cliftonite said:

Cliftonite said:

IMO deserves to be reported to eBay and it has been.

Whether eBay will do owt about it, though, when they see a chassis of sorts is anyone's guess.

The Reliant Spitfire fraud kit is still for sale on eBay:

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/221415813029?ru=http%3A%...

Please get those Reports sent in!!

I have twice

I presume Ebay are pretending the chassis gives it provenance Difficult to get some off

[Liquid Knight]

Shame nobody here is a Humberside CID officer.