Ringing kits for sale on ebay...No not on our watch!

Ringing kits for sale on ebay...No not on our watch!

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Steffan

10,362 posts

228 months

Wednesday 23rd July 2014
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marshalla said:
Steffan said:
Yes White Rose took over the JC Midge but it did not last long. As you say nothing like a Seven and this car is a real nonsense. Textbook identity swap. Avoid. It will get found out and when it does game over.
Just did a bit of digging - White Rose also took over the Locust, apparently.
Again not for very long. Individuals like John Cowperthwaite who really created a whole series of kit cars the Moss Mamba, Moss Monaco, JC locost, Midge and many many others takes some following. All the designs were sold to various businesses whose ability was not the equal of John Cowperthwaite. I have build various models of most of his designs many years ago and I admire the man and his achievements. Plays folk guitar (might be country) nowadays and is out of cars I understand.

LLantrisant

996 posts

159 months

Wednesday 23rd July 2014
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http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&am...

a F27 seven with dutton paperwork....

LLantrisant

996 posts

159 months

Wednesday 23rd July 2014
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back to the locust...how comes this discrepancy from the dvla database and the v5c in paperform?


Steffan

10,362 posts

228 months

Wednesday 23rd July 2014
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LLantrisant said:
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&am...

a F27 seven with dutton paperwork....
Another complete nonsense which is not correctly registered hence the M/C engine is not apparent In the paperwork and thenpaperworknis notbrelevant tobthisvcarbin that form. I would expect this to be picked up and VOR'd. The use of scrapped kit car identities with uncorrected registration docs to evade IVA is clearly growing steadily. Pity but that was always the danger of introducing an expensive and exacting testing process. Avoid.

Cliftonite

8,408 posts

138 months

Wednesday 30th July 2014
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Any guess how much of this MGB shell exists?

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&am...


Steffan

10,362 posts

228 months

Wednesday 30th July 2014
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Cliftonite said:
Any guess how much of this MGB shell exists?

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&am...
Nothing of any value I suggest. Regrettably it is the vehicle identity that is being offered. Pity.

Cliftonite

8,408 posts

138 months

Thursday 31st July 2014
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Steffan said:
Cliftonite said:
Any guess how much of this MGB shell exists?

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&am...
Nothing of any value I suggest. Regrettably it is the vehicle identity that is being offered. Pity.
No longer on eBay, at least on this reference / url.

smile ?



Steffan

10,362 posts

228 months

Thursday 31st July 2014
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Cliftonite said:
Steffan said:
Cliftonite said:
Any guess how much of this MGB shell exists?

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&am...
Nothing of any value I suggest. Regrettably it is the vehicle identity that is being offered. Pity.
No longer on eBay, at least on this reference / url.

smile ?
As you will know, could mean a number of things. He may have had a direct contact and sold the details or the advert may have been removed. Sadly I suspect the former is the most likely explanation. I see regular kit cars now which have been cloned to avoid IVA. As yet warning purchasers of the risks seems to be the only approach. None of these cloned cars are road legal and could be VOR'd at any time. Which will mean a loss of 90% of the cars value. Not good.

Jetblackonetenth

690 posts

209 months

Thursday 7th August 2014
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Steffan

10,362 posts

228 months

Thursday 7th August 2014
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Jetblackonetenth said:
Another example of cars to avoid. To get this properly registered in this form will be an absolute expensive nightmare. The registration of heavily modified cars has become very much more exacting post the IVA process being introduced. Such cars are no longer economically worthwhile IMO unless you want to run an illegal uninsurable vehicle and run every risk of being pulled and VOR'd on the spot. The fact is that such cars would be extremely difficult to register.

The days of barn finds, garge discoveries and the like all of which nowadays seem to have become invariably simple try ons. Without real provenance and genuine paperwork for the changes and the components used such cars are unregistered because they cannot be registered in that form and the pundits offering such nonsenses know this full well. There was a time in the past where I regularly bought unfinished projects to finish them years ago.

You could now then: you cannot now and enthusists should be really careful in ensuring all the paperwork and provenance of modified cars offered for sale is absolutely spot on or walk away. There is to feasible way to register such unrecorded changes if the paperwork is absent and the provence of the parts ia absent. Fact of modern kit car and project building life. Best avoided in my opinion.

Liquid Knight

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15,754 posts

183 months

Tuesday 12th August 2014
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http://www.pistonheads.com/news/default.asp?storyI...

Brand new shell, new engine, new running gear, new interior, new brakes, new wheels, basically a brand new car.


DVLA said:
Vehicle make MG
Date of first registration 04 June 1964
Year of manufacture 1964
Cylinder capacity (cc) 2489cc
CO₂Emissions Not available
Fuel type PETROL
Tax class HISTORIC VEHICLE
Export marker No
Vehicle status Tax not due
Vehicle colour GREY
Vehicle type approval Not available
At least the engine and colour have been declared. The car should be on a "Q" or new registration though as there isn't enough of the original car to be a "Heritage" build. rolleyes

Steffan

10,362 posts

228 months

Tuesday 12th August 2014
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Liquid Knight said:
http://www.pistonheads.com/news/default.asp?storyI...

Brand new shell, new engine, new running gear, new interior, new brakes, new wheels, basically a brand new car.


DVLA said:
Vehicle make MG
Date of first registration 04 June 1964
Year of manufacture 1964
Cylinder capacity (cc) 2489cc
CO2Emissions Not available
Fuel type PETROL
Tax class HISTORIC VEHICLE
Export marker No
Vehicle status Tax not due
Vehicle colour GREY
Vehicle type approval Not available
At least the engine and colour have been declared. The car should be on a "Q" or new registration though as there isn't enough of the original car to be a "Heritage" build. rolleyes
I do wonder how this has been achieved. From the information proffered in the article I cannot see how this reg has been achieved. It would be very interesting ro know just how this was done. I think the price is unrealistic.

Liquid Knight

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15,754 posts

183 months

Saturday 16th August 2014
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Adam Anderson said:
Hi all my landrover 90 was stolen this morning at 01:20 11.8.14 by some guys in a silver Astra from Liverpool marina and is candy red in colour with window tints, discovery wheels and front and rear tow bars the reg num is n35 bsl
rolleyes

Steffan

10,362 posts

228 months

Saturday 16th August 2014
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Very sorry to hear that. I have lost a number of cars over the years to car theft. If the miscreants are organised and determined it s very difficult to prevent such acts.

I do hope the car s returned and without much damage. Unusual choice a Landrover, but it clearly was an unusual car. I wish you all the luck in recovering the vehicle. Barstards!

Super Slo Mo

5,368 posts

198 months

Saturday 16th August 2014
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I think Land Rovers are quite a high theft risk, probably due to the ease in breaking them for parts.

Liquid Knight

Original Poster:

15,754 posts

183 months

Saturday 16th August 2014
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Super Slo Mo said:
I think Land Rovers are quite a high theft risk, probably due to the ease in breaking them for parts.
Not to mention the number of chassis with log books or just VIN and V5C's for sale. They are the easiest car to ring as they all pretty much look the same.

All it would take is a £60 set of door locks, tin of NATO green paint and this car is rung. frown

Super Slo Mo

5,368 posts

198 months

Saturday 16th August 2014
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Or, to put it another way, it's very easy to make one look different than it was before being stolen.
Thankfully tatty old discoveries are not held in the same esteem so don't seem to be as readily stolen.

forsure

2,121 posts

268 months

Liquid Knight

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15,754 posts

183 months

mgtony

4,019 posts

190 months

Friday 29th August 2014
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Liquid Knight said:
I'm sure I've seen that link somewhere before! biggrin