Ringing kits for sale on ebay...No not on our watch!
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MJG280 said:
A V5 and chassis plate reported
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Sylvia-Raw-Striker-/1615...
Re-listed...http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Sylvia-Raw-Striker-/1615...
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Sylva-Raw-striker-kit-ca...
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/CLASSIC-MORRIS-MINI-VAN-...
A Mini van ringing kit for sale from a Mini parts specialist.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Series-landrover-88-1959...
Land Rover ageing kit.
A Mini van ringing kit for sale from a Mini parts specialist.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Series-landrover-88-1959...
Land Rover ageing kit.
According to the description NOT an identity for sale. Make your own mind up
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1967-Ex-Works-Mini-Coope...
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1967-Ex-Works-Mini-Coope...
rovermorris999 said:
According to the description NOT an identity for sale. Make your own mind up
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1967-Ex-Works-Mini-Coope...
Missed it but you can still report it after the sale has gone through. The number plate is at the bottom of photo 3 if anyone can make it out. NJB633F???http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1967-Ex-Works-Mini-Coope...
The DVLA Document reference number is in photo 2 so we can make sure that plate is on the Mini forums so if the car turns up for sale in th near future they'll know it's a ringer.
RochdaleGT said:
Has this not featured in this thread before?Cliftonite said:
RochdaleGT said:
Has this not featured in this thread before?RochdaleGT said:
According to the DVLA it's an Elan.Meerkats said:
NVV7 : Lotus Elan + 2, 1558CC Petrol, 2DR, Manual
According to AskMid it's a Lotus Super Seven. AskMid said:
Vehicle Make/Model: LOTUS SEVEN SUPER 2 CONVERTIBLE
eBay questions said:
Why is the car registered as an Elan?
Are the Elan chassis plates being used for age related reasons?
Has the car passed the IVA/SVA assessment?
According to AskMid the car is insured as a Lotus Super 7 so how can it be a 1968 vehicle when the Super 7 wasn't made until 1970?
What exactly are you trying to sell here? The car looks like a Locust, registered as an Elan but insured as a Super 7
Yours worryingly LK
I'll post the reply later if I get one. Are the Elan chassis plates being used for age related reasons?
Has the car passed the IVA/SVA assessment?
According to AskMid the car is insured as a Lotus Super 7 so how can it be a 1968 vehicle when the Super 7 wasn't made until 1970?
What exactly are you trying to sell here? The car looks like a Locust, registered as an Elan but insured as a Super 7
Yours worryingly LK
RochdaleGT said:
They've somehow managed to get a kent engine to 2 litres, too. Back in the day IIRC, 1700 (and a bit) was about the limit - clever stuff!V8forweekends said:
RochdaleGT said:
They've somehow managed to get a kent engine to 2 litres, too. Back in the day IIRC, 1700 (and a bit) was about the limit - clever stuff!In case you don't think there is anything wrong here. This is a properly registered Locust...
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/LOCUST-SUPER-7-2-0-PINTO...
..for £5,000 by using the identity from the Elan to age the car and possibly bypass the IVA/SVA assessment the price has been elevated to £13,000
Charging £13,000 for a illegitimate car that's only worth £5,000 if it was properly registered is fraud.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/LOCUST-SUPER-7-2-0-PINTO...
..for £5,000 by using the identity from the Elan to age the car and possibly bypass the IVA/SVA assessment the price has been elevated to £13,000
Charging £13,000 for a illegitimate car that's only worth £5,000 if it was properly registered is fraud.
Liquid Knight said:
V8forweekends said:
RochdaleGT said:
They've somehow managed to get a kent engine to 2 litres, too. Back in the day IIRC, 1700 (and a bit) was about the limit - clever stuff!Cortina GT would be 681F, which that looks very much like.
I can't remember the exact specifics but the general gist is that anything up to about 1980cc is possible from a 711 by a maximum overbore (think 1760cc) and then stroking it. I think you can get up to 2.3l with an AX block with an even bigger bore, combined with said stroking. IK Engineering perform such miracles and I've spoken to them about mine, but... Mine's a 681F and therefore thinner walled and not really up to taking beyond its 1680 bore and probably wouldn't survive taking anywhere near 2.0l. If, by some miracle, that's the bit of the advert that isn't an outright lie and you do get some sensible answers I might be interested in buying the engine off him if he fancies separating it.
But I've been wrong on the odd occasion too and Ford wouldn't be Ford if there weren't the odd exception to the rule.
Cheers, Jim
My MkII Cortina GT Estate had a 7-11 block with twin Webbers, but there was some serious work done to the rest of the car as well. Front shock towers looked like Group A MkII Escort ones, the rear axle had a limited split differential, the rear floor was plated around the shock mounts so the whole rear end was stronger, there was a bar welded across the bulkhead (like a strut brace), Dunlop alloy wheels and the car cornered flat (on a private test track officer).
I pulled that car out of a field, got her up and running but she couldn't be registered so I sold the parts to a chap who used the engine, gearbox and axle in a 105 warmrod.
I pulled that car out of a field, got her up and running but she couldn't be registered so I sold the parts to a chap who used the engine, gearbox and axle in a 105 warmrod.
Liquid Knight said:
My MkII Cortina GT Estate had a 7-11 block with twin Webbers, but there was some serious work done to the rest of the car as well. Front shock towers looked like Group A MkII Escort ones, the rear axle had a limited split differential, the rear floor was plated around the shock mounts so the whole rear end was stronger, there was a bar welded across the bulkhead (like a strut brace), Dunlop alloy wheels and the car cornered flat (on a private test track officer).
I pulled that car out of a field, got her up and running but she couldn't be registered so I sold the parts to a chap who used the engine, gearbox and axle in a 105 warmrod.
The Mk 2 Cortina finished production in 1970, as the 711M was introduced. I have absolutely no doubt that there will be some crossover (lame, half-pun). I pulled that car out of a field, got her up and running but she couldn't be registered so I sold the parts to a chap who used the engine, gearbox and axle in a 105 warmrod.
Given the amount of other work done to it, there's also every chance that your 711M was retro-fitted.
Anyway, I doubt many more than half of the words in the listing in question are true. Have you had any response?
Cheers, Jim
jimmy the hat said:
Liquid Knight said:
My MkII Cortina GT Estate had a 7-11 block with twin Webbers, but there was some serious work done to the rest of the car as well. Front shock towers looked like Group A MkII Escort ones, the rear axle had a limited split differential, the rear floor was plated around the shock mounts so the whole rear end was stronger, there was a bar welded across the bulkhead (like a strut brace), Dunlop alloy wheels and the car cornered flat (on a private test track officer).
I pulled that car out of a field, got her up and running but she couldn't be registered so I sold the parts to a chap who used the engine, gearbox and axle in a 105 warmrod.
The Mk 2 Cortina finished production in 1970, as the 711M was introduced. I have absolutely no doubt that there will be some crossover (lame, half-pun). I pulled that car out of a field, got her up and running but she couldn't be registered so I sold the parts to a chap who used the engine, gearbox and axle in a 105 warmrod.
Given the amount of other work done to it, there's also every chance that your 711M was retro-fitted.
Anyway, I doubt many more than half of the words in the listing in question are true. Have you had any response?
Cheers, Jim
Edited to add...
Ford engine, Triumph front end, made over twenty years ago to a design first sold in 1994 (chronologically possible just). One would need to convince the DVLA of its origins to reregister the car properly. Even then it'd be on a "Q" plate.
I think the guy bought it like this and believes what he says.
Reply said:
Hi the elan was used as doner vehicle the car was built I believe 20+ years ago before iva/sva was required and does not need it and has been MOT'd many times with out any issues. Its insured as a lotus as the insurance company agreed this and I have written and photograph proof of this. I hope this answers your questions.
http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&t=470848Ford engine, Triumph front end, made over twenty years ago to a design first sold in 1994 (chronologically possible just). One would need to convince the DVLA of its origins to reregister the car properly. Even then it'd be on a "Q" plate.
I think the guy bought it like this and believes what he says.
Edited by Liquid Knight on Tuesday 20th January 17:07
My reply to the reply said:
Thank you for the reply.
Is that the information that was given to you when you bought the car?
JC Midge introduced the Triumph or Ford based Locust Super 7 kit in 1994, the SVA for kit cars was introduced in 1998 so twenty years before would be chronologically impossible.
Your car should be registered as a Locust and on a "Q" plate. Not registered as a Lotus Elan at all. It is an offence to have an incorrectly registered vehicle on the road. Have a look at section sixteen of The Road Vehicles (Registration and Licensing) Regulations 2002 in regards to the rules for registration and licensing of vehicles.
To register the car correctly now would be all but impossible without the original donor documentation. As the car doesn't have the original front suspension from the Lotus or the original Lotus engine it would probably have to go though the process of a new build because there isn't enough of the original car to bypass this. The new IVA will cost a minimum of £450 and without a complete photographic record of the build I doubt it would pass.
As for passing several M.O.T's in the meantime VOSA are cracking down on cowboy operations and if your tester can't tell a Lotus Elan from a Locust then his guide dog probably needs putting down.
If you wee mislead as to the legitimacy of your car when you bought it you have my sincerest sympathy.
All the best LK
http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?t=940471Is that the information that was given to you when you bought the car?
JC Midge introduced the Triumph or Ford based Locust Super 7 kit in 1994, the SVA for kit cars was introduced in 1998 so twenty years before would be chronologically impossible.
Your car should be registered as a Locust and on a "Q" plate. Not registered as a Lotus Elan at all. It is an offence to have an incorrectly registered vehicle on the road. Have a look at section sixteen of The Road Vehicles (Registration and Licensing) Regulations 2002 in regards to the rules for registration and licensing of vehicles.
To register the car correctly now would be all but impossible without the original donor documentation. As the car doesn't have the original front suspension from the Lotus or the original Lotus engine it would probably have to go though the process of a new build because there isn't enough of the original car to bypass this. The new IVA will cost a minimum of £450 and without a complete photographic record of the build I doubt it would pass.
As for passing several M.O.T's in the meantime VOSA are cracking down on cowboy operations and if your tester can't tell a Lotus Elan from a Locust then his guide dog probably needs putting down.
If you wee mislead as to the legitimacy of your car when you bought it you have my sincerest sympathy.
All the best LK
This is very handy for anyone looking at building or buying a kit car.
Edited by Liquid Knight on Wednesday 21st January 12:10
Edited by Liquid Knight on Wednesday 21st January 12:11
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