Ringing kits for sale on ebay...No not on our watch!

[Liquid Knight]

CwazyWabbit said:

Cfnteabag said:

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&am...

A big smiling face to hide the obvious criminal possibilities!

That ID is most likely MBF319H as it's the only Rover out of all the possible number plates that match his 'example'

Top sleuthing that man.

[mgtony]

CwazyWabbit said:

Cfnteabag said:

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&am...

A big smiling face to hide the obvious criminal possibilities!

That ID is most likely MBF319H as it's the only Rover out of all the possible number plates that match his 'example'

LK, perhaps ask your new friend whether MBF 319H is the ID he's selling.

[Liquid Knight]

Good news.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/MORRIS-MINOR-CONVERTIBLE...

The selling the Morris Minor Convertible bits is listing the bits and not the identity.

[Steffan]

Liquid Knight said:

Good news.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/MORRIS-MINOR-CONVERTIBLE...

The selling the Morris Minor Convertible bits is listing the bits and not the identity.

As your efforts have assisted in demonstrating to the enthusiasts on PH there is an awful lot of this dishonesty about. I am hopeful that the enthusiasts have noted the care with which the real provenance of cars, particularly kit cars and classics must be carefully examined in consequence. This auction is a disgrace and I do hope it is removed. It should be!

[Liquid Knight]

Steffan said:

Liquid Knight said:

Good news.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/MORRIS-MINOR-CONVERTIBLE...

The selling the Morris Minor Convertible bits is listing the bits and not the identity.

As your efforts have assisted in demonstrating to the enthusiasts on PH there is an awful lot of this dishonesty about. I am hopeful that the enthusiasts have noted the care with which the real provenance of cars, particularly kit cars and classics must be carefully examined in consequence. This auction is a disgrace and I do hope it is removed. It should be!

If I had a saloon (not a pick up project) I'd buy the bits. For £300, £200 for a hood and £400 for an IVA would be worth while when you consider the cost of the convertible kit and frame new and the difference a tidy two door saloon makes compared to a convertible. Done properly it's still worth while. Without the identity to go with it the chances are the bits will be sold to someone like minded and not someone willing to buy the identity and take someone else's car to order.

[Cliftonite]

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Land-Rover-Defender-110-...

Bad vibes. What you see is not what you get.

[Liquid Knight]

Cliftonite said:

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Land-Rover-Defender-110-...

Bad vibes. What you see is not what you get.

eBay advert said:

Buy it now price is for v5, vin plate and very rusty chassis

I doubt eBay will remove it but even with a new like for like Galvanized chassis the original reg can not be retained as it's only five of the eight points required.


Edited to add...

https://www.facebook.com/groups/landroverownersgro...

...shared here.

Edited by Liquid Knight on Saturday 11th April 11:33

[akirk]

Liquid Knight said:

I doubt eBay will remove it but even with a new like for like Galvanized chassis the original reg can not be retained as it's only five of the eight points required.

I am not sure that is right:
https://www.gov.uk/vehicle-registration/radically-...
"original or new and unmodified"

- there is no issue in replacing a dead chassis with a brand new equivalent...
- you can't use a second-hand chassis
- you can't use a modified chassis (therefore you can't put coils on a leafer)

but you absolutely can go out and buy a new chassis which is identical to the original and replace it - and there is no issue... and it counts as 5 points... the landrover world is full of people replacing the chassis on their classics...

this is where you have to be careful, and where some of the cars / identities etc. listed on here are not necessarily strictly illegal...
to sell or buy an identity with the intent to defraud is obviously wrong - and clearly some of the sales listed come into that category...
but...

If someone buys a 1960 landrover which doesn't work...
they are entitled to go out and buy every part brand new and replace them all
the car remains the same identity - yet in essence they have built a brand new car - and all they have kept from the original sale is the identity...

arguably that is no different to buying an identity, buying all the parts new like a kit car and putting the two together...
though of course the reality is that isn't why anyone buys an id...

but certainly to sell a car with all / many of the bits doesn't make it a sale of just ID it is surely a question as to whether it is a car being sold (which looks reasonable to restore - or a bag of dust!

Edited by akirk on Saturday 11th April 11:54

[lowdrag]

So here's an interesting one for you lot. A person collects all the parts to build a car that was discontinued and obsolete 41 years ago. I mean every piece, including a new body shell. Then he builds it up into a new car. How should it get registered? We'll see if you have the right answer.

[Cliftonite]

lowdrag said:

So here's an interesting one for you lot. A person collects all the parts to build a car that was discontinued and obsolete 41 years ago. I mean every piece, including a new body shell. Then he builds it up into a new car. How should it get registered? We'll see if you have the right answer.

After the eventual demise of the Morris 1000 in the (very) early 1970s, one woman was so mortified that she couldn't replace hers with a brand new one that she got the local main dealer to build her one from new parts. On completion, it was registered as a new car of that year - 'R' I believe. The last 'normal' registrations of Morris 1000s were 'K' and those were Travellers, and vans.

[Liquid Knight]

Cliftonite said:

lowdrag said:

So here's an interesting one for you lot. A person collects all the parts to build a car that was discontinued and obsolete 41 years ago. I mean every piece, including a new body shell. Then he builds it up into a new car. How should it get registered? We'll see if you have the right answer.

After the eventual demise of the Morris 1000 in the (very) early 1970s, one woman was so mortified that she couldn't replace hers with a brand new one that she got the local main dealer to build her one from new parts. On completion, it was registered as a new car of that year - 'R' I believe. The last 'normal' registrations of Morris 1000s were 'K' and those were Travellers, and vans.

That was the 70's if they were to do that now it would have go through the same process as a kit car or new car and be registered as a 2015 model (even though it would never pass emissions and such). Rover Maestros were being made from parts up until 2001 and there is an 01 registered Maestro Diesel in West Yorkshire.

Heritage shell builds are similar in a way. I've seen many new shell, new engine, new gearbox, new axle, new cross members, new suspension, new glass, new interior and new wheeled car still registered as classics because the VIN plates were retained. These are also ringers. Basically new build cars posing as classics and don't get me started on all the Triggers Broom Land Rovers out there. Range Rover chassis, Discovery engine, lift kit suspension, Defender wheels and body tub still registered as tax exempt because a couple of squares of Aluminium and bit of paper says so.

If you were to build a new car based around new parts from a classic or not the car would have to be registered as a new car.

The Eagle E-Type replicas Jeremy Clarkson drools over are new engines, new chassis, new body, new suspension, new gearbox, new wheels, new interior, new glass, new everything but still registered as 1960's E-Types. £500,000 for a new build ringer?

"We're in the wrong game here lads".

[Steffan]

Liquid Knight said:

Cliftonite said:

lowdrag said:

So here's an interesting one for you lot. A person collects all the parts to build a car that was discontinued and obsolete 41 years ago. I mean every piece, including a new body shell. Then he builds it up into a new car. How should it get registered? We'll see if you have the right answer.

After the eventual demise of the Morris 1000 in the (very) early 1970s, one woman was so mortified that she couldn't replace hers with a brand new one that she got the local main dealer to build her one from new parts. On completion, it was registered as a new car of that year - 'R' I believe. The last 'normal' registrations of Morris 1000s were 'K' and those were Travellers, and vans.

That was the 70's if they were to do that now it would have go through the same process as a kit car or new car and be registered as a 2015 model (even though it would never pass emissions and such). Rover Maestros were being made from parts up until 2001 and there is an 01 registered Maestro Diesel in West Yorkshire.

Heritage shell builds are similar in a way. I've seen many new shell, new engine, new gearbox, new axle, new cross members, new suspension, new glass, new interior and new wheeled car still registered as classics because the VIN plates were retained. These are also ringers. Basically new build cars posing as classics and don't get me started on all the Triggers Broom Land Rovers out there. Range Rover chassis, Discovery engine, lift kit suspension, Defender wheels and body tub still registered as tax exempt because a couple of squares of Aluminium and bit of paper says so.

If you were to build a new car based around new parts from a classic or not the car would have to be registered as a new car.

The Eagle E-Type replicas Jeremy Clarkson drools over are new engines, new chassis, new body, new suspension, new gearbox, new wheels, new interior, new glass, new everything but still registered as 1960's E-Types. £500,000 for a new build ringer?

"We're in the wrong game here lads".

Indeed! Such prices are crazy really,but there are people who will pay them. Not for me or the vast majority of car enthusiasts I think. More fun available for a lot lower costs. But as ever, each to their own!

[CanAm]

I saw an Eagle Speedster in Crawley last Monday; a fantastically beautiful car, but at prices starting from £650,000 perhaps a little out of my range. BTW, Eagle state these are "a bespoke build based on an original Jaguar E-Type from our selection here at Eagle". Exactly how much of the original survives is a matter for conjecture.

[Liquid Knight]

I like the idea of the lightweight replica for £850,000

You can buy a genuine one that qualifies for Goodwood and other classic events for £300,000

I'm just off the check my lotto ticket.

[Steffan]

Liquid Knight said:

I like the idea of the lightweight replica for £850,000

You can buy a genuine one that qualifies for Goodwood and other classic events for £300,000

I'm just off the check my lotto ticket.

Quite. There is no economic sense in such stratospheric prices. Clearly there are still buyers who desire these cars. Not for me. As Liquid Knight says the original cars are most definitely, still around and very, very usable in classic events, at literally a fraction of that price and are eligible for all such events. Better by far, I would suggest!

[rovermorris999]

A bit of quality here
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Jan-1962-Jaguar-E-type-F...

[Liquid Knight]

rovermorris999 said:

A bit of quality here
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Jan-1962-Jaguar-E-type-F...

Very, Good find.

[rovermorris999]

Nice Capri V5, wheelnut and VIN plate
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/MK1-CAPRI-3000-GXL-/1516...

[Cliftonite]

rovermorris999 said:

Nice Capri V5, wheelnut and VIN plate
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/MK1-CAPRI-3000-GXL-/1516...

Gone!

[Steffan]

Cliftonite said:

rovermorris999 said:

Nice Capri V5, wheelnut and VIN plate
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/MK1-CAPRI-3000-GXL-/1516...

Gone!

Excellent! Well done again!😃