Ringing kits for sale on ebay...No not on our watch!
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http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/95-05-ALFA-ROMEO-GTV-BAR...
"IF ALL YOU REQUIRE IS A V5 I'LL SELL THAT FOR £75"
"IF ALL YOU REQUIRE IS A V5 I'LL SELL THAT FOR £75"
Cliftonite said:
Posted on the Land Rover Owners Club Facebook page. 
not on ebay, but is this the sort of thing? Or is this actually a car?
http://www.preloved.co.uk/adverts/show/113047280/f...
http://www.preloved.co.uk/adverts/show/113047280/f...
lestiq said:
not on ebay, but is this the sort of thing? Or is this actually a car?
http://www.preloved.co.uk/adverts/show/113047280/f...
Sounds like a complete, but incorrectly registered, car - candidate for http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=28&...http://www.preloved.co.uk/adverts/show/113047280/f...
marshalla said:
lestiq said:
not on ebay, but is this the sort of thing? Or is this actually a car?
http://www.preloved.co.uk/adverts/show/113047280/f...
Sounds like a complete, but incorrectly registered, car - candidate for http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=28&...http://www.preloved.co.uk/adverts/show/113047280/f...
Just WHAT is actually for sale? And what can one do with it when one has bought it?
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Personal-registration-V5...
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Personal-registration-V5...
Cliftonite said:
Just WHAT is actually for sale? And what can one do with it when one has bought it?
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Personal-registration-V5...
Good question. Well might you ask!http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Personal-registration-V5...
Nothing actually usable I suspect. The car is not included and the plate and paperwork are not worth the candle IMO. Looks like a try on to me? As ever with these "bargains" best avoided?
Sierra Saphire Cosworth id v5c logbook
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/sierra-saphire-cosworth-...
F500 TAB . . . . F500TAB for Google.
" . . . build a genuine cosworth from a standard shell . . . "
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/sierra-saphire-cosworth-...
F500 TAB . . . . F500TAB for Google.
" . . . build a genuine cosworth from a standard shell . . . "
Edited by Cliftonite on Wednesday 29th July 10:49
Reported and shared on the RS Owners Club page and Practical Performance Car (facebook) page.
Edited to add
They have an ST170 for sale as well so I had to ask...
Edited to add
They have an ST170 for sale as well so I had to ask...
eBay question said:
Is this a genuine St170 or a standard Focus with an St170 identity on it like the Cosworth ringing kit you have listed?
Edited by Liquid Knight on Wednesday 29th July 11:38
eBay answer said:
That's not a ringing kit, ur genuinely allowed to reshell a car if u do it through the proper channels, and the st170 is an st170, nothing more.......u are more than welcome to check it out many thanks
Apart from the number of differences between a standard Sapphire shell and Cosworth shell I'm afraid you have either been misinformed or are mistaken. You can not ring the identity from one shell onto another legally unless it's a brand new Heritage or Motorsport shell and you retain almost all of the donor parts from the vehicle in accordance to the DVLA point system. Your listing is just identification and nowhere near enough to qualify for a legal transfer.
You may not be aware of this but selling the identity to use on another car is a criminal offence.
If that identity is used to ring a stolen vehicle you are an accessory to the theft of a motor vehicle and could face up to ten years in prison for it.
If the identity is used to elevate the value of a vehicle for resale you are an accessory to fraud. Five to ten years for that.
If the identity is used to ring a previously written off vehicle that's also fraud but if the vehicle is bodged together misrepresented when sold and it fails on the road causing death or serious injury you will be an accessory to manslaughter. Fifteen years to life.
From your username and feedback I can see you are new at this so may be unaware of the hole you could end up in if you sell that item. The Police monitor eBay as well as other motoring organisations so the winning bidder may turn up with hand cuffs and a warrant rather than cash.
Liquid Knight said:
eBay answer said:
That's not a ringing kit, ur genuinely allowed to reshell a car if u do it through the proper channels, and the st170 is an st170, nothing more.......u are more than welcome to check it out many thanks
Apart from the number of differences between a standard Sapphire shell and Cosworth shell I'm afraid you have either been misinformed or are mistaken. You can not ring the identity from one shell onto another legally unless it's a brand new Heritage or Motorsport shell and you retain almost all of the donor parts from the vehicle in accordance to the DVLA point system. Your listing is just identification and nowhere near enough to qualify for a legal transfer.
You may not be aware of this but selling the identity to use on another car is a criminal offence.
If that identity is used to ring a stolen vehicle you are an accessory to the theft of a motor vehicle and could face up to ten years in prison for it.
If the identity is used to elevate the value of a vehicle for resale you are an accessory to fraud. Five to ten years for that.
If the identity is used to ring a previously written off vehicle that's also fraud but if the vehicle is bodged together misrepresented when sold and it fails on the road causing death or serious injury you will be an accessory to manslaughter. Fifteen years to life.
From your username and feedback I can see you are new at this so may be unaware of the hole you could end up in if you sell that item. The Police monitor eBay as well as other motoring organisations so the winning bidder may turn up with hand cuffs and a warrant rather than cash.
You are correct such sales are unlawful and identity transfers are not legal unless following the proscribed requirements.of the DVLA. The less of these activities the better for genuine motoring.
eBay reply said:
I've taken all you have said into consideration, my intentions were not to do something illegal. But to keep another cossie on the road, I have a keen interest in these cars, there are no differences in the shells at all that I can be 100% on only what's bolted to it.....I have removed listing and I will look into this further and then take it from there, it's a shame to scrap off another cossie, the shell was absolutely rotten, and have seen these ids for sale on here before, I'm sure there are new
The rear wheel drive shell was basically a Ghia with an automatic gearbox tunnel to accommodate the larger gearbox and different rear suspension mounts. The four wheel drive was extensively strengthened up front and people who have fitted Cosworth running gear without taking this into account have had their cars bend in half. One spectacularly at Mallory Park.
If you were selling a complete donor car for re-shelling then it could be done with a new, heritage or Ford built motorsport shell. Even then the car would need to pass the SVA and may end up on a Q-plate. Converting a standard Sapphire using the identity from a genuine Cosworth can not be done legally as it would have to retain the identity of the original car.
It is a shame but the best you can do is put the number plate on a retention certificate and sell that. The car is gone if all that's left is the identity.
All the best LK
Liquid Knight said:
The rear wheel drive shell was basically a Ghia with an automatic gearbox tunnel to accommodate the larger gearbox and different rear suspension mounts. The four wheel drive was extensively strengthened up front and people who have fitted Cosworth running gear without taking this into account have had their cars bend in half. One spectacularly at Mallory Park.
If you were selling a complete donor car for re-shelling then it could be done with a new, heritage or Ford built motorsport shell. Even then the car would need to pass the SVA and may end up on a Q-plate. Converting a standard Sapphire using the identity from a genuine Cosworth can not be done legally as it would have to retain the identity of the original car.
It is a shame but the best you can do is put the number plate on a retention certificate and sell that. The car is gone if all that's left is the identity.
All the best LK
The 4wd saff shell had a modified tunnel to accept the transfer case on the side of the gearbox but a normal tunnel only need slight fettling to provide sufficient clearance, no bigger than a packet of cigarettes, and a couple of half moons in the front front chassis legs exposed to give a bit more movement for the driveshafts to pass under.
If a car bent in half at Mallory it had nothing to do with 4wd cosworth running gear being put into a 2wd shell.
Edited by PAUL500 on Wednesday 29th July 17:35
furthermore, a new bodyshell is a service part, bodyshops replace them all the time, often on instruction from insurance companies, and they never ever have to have an sva afterwards, the new shell just has the ID of the damaged car stamped onto it, but more often than not even that is not done and just the chassis tag is transferred across.
Cliftonite said:
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Ford-mk1-lotus-cortina-b...
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Ford-escort-Mexico-logbo...
Totally Unusable except as a ringing kit. Reported but as we know EBay are not interested. Trouble is that this nonsense may make its way as a means to get unregistered unsafe cars OTR. Pity!http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Ford-escort-Mexico-logbo...
Liquid Knight said:
Apart from the number of differences between a standard Sapphire shell and Cosworth shell I'm afraid you have either been misinformed or are mistaken.
You can not ring the identity from one shell onto another legally unless it's a brand new Heritage or Motorsport shell and you retain almost all of the donor parts from the vehicle in accordance to the DVLA point system. Your listing is just identification and nowhere near enough to qualify for a legal transfer.
You may not be aware of this but selling the identity to use on another car is a criminal offence.
If that identity is used to ring a stolen vehicle you are an accessory to the theft of a motor vehicle and could face up to ten years in prison for it.
If the identity is used to elevate the value of a vehicle for resale you are an accessory to fraud. Five to ten years for that.
If the identity is used to ring a previously written off vehicle that's also fraud but if the vehicle is bodged together misrepresented when sold and it fails on the road causing death or serious injury you will be an accessory to manslaughter. Fifteen years to life.
From your username and feedback I can see you are new at this so may be unaware of the hole you could end up in if you sell that item. The Police monitor eBay as well as other motoring organisations so the winning bidder may turn up with hand cuffs and a warrant rather than cash.
This is so full of quasi-legal bYou can not ring the identity from one shell onto another legally unless it's a brand new Heritage or Motorsport shell and you retain almost all of the donor parts from the vehicle in accordance to the DVLA point system. Your listing is just identification and nowhere near enough to qualify for a legal transfer.
You may not be aware of this but selling the identity to use on another car is a criminal offence.
If that identity is used to ring a stolen vehicle you are an accessory to the theft of a motor vehicle and could face up to ten years in prison for it.
If the identity is used to elevate the value of a vehicle for resale you are an accessory to fraud. Five to ten years for that.
If the identity is used to ring a previously written off vehicle that's also fraud but if the vehicle is bodged together misrepresented when sold and it fails on the road causing death or serious injury you will be an accessory to manslaughter. Fifteen years to life.
From your username and feedback I can see you are new at this so may be unaware of the hole you could end up in if you sell that item. The Police monitor eBay as well as other motoring organisations so the winning bidder may turn up with hand cuffs and a warrant rather than cash.
ks that I don't know where to start. I broadly support your intention but in practice you make me cringe. I think that you need to get out more.With regards to my highlighted: you need very little of the original vehicle in order to have sufficient points, and many of the required parts/points, if not all, cannot be accurately identified, making this a moot point and an unenforceable requirement.
This isn't a Clubman is it? The front end looks wrong.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1972-Tax-Exempt-Mini-Pro...
Enough there otherwise to make up the points needed I'd guess.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1972-Tax-Exempt-Mini-Pro...
Enough there otherwise to make up the points needed I'd guess.
rovermorris999 said:
This isn't a Clubman is it? The front end looks wrong.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1972-Tax-Exempt-Mini-Pro...
He states quite clearly that it was "originally" a Clubman, ie, the inference that it may (now) not look like a Clubman, as it has the normal Mini panels on it.http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1972-Tax-Exempt-Mini-Pro...
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