Ringing kits for sale on ebay...No not on our watch!

Ringing kits for sale on ebay...No not on our watch!

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Steffan

10,362 posts

228 months

Wednesday 19th August 2015
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Cliftonite said:
Well spotted. As usual a ringing kit best avoided. Doubt it will sell and will be on again. Obviously not genuine.

GinG15

501 posts

171 months

Thursday 20th August 2015
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CanAm

9,197 posts

272 months

Thursday 20th August 2015
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GinG15 said:
And a double whammy here as Dutton Cars didn't exist in 1968, so it's a ringer of a ringer!

Steffan

10,362 posts

228 months

Thursday 20th August 2015
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CanAm said:
GinG15 said:
And a double whammy here as Dutton Cars didn't exist in 1968, so it's a ringer of a ringer!
Indeed. Yet the car is still being advertised and still failing to sell. Hopefully no buyer will ever be drawn into this misrepresentation. The car is clearly not what it is purported to be. It is NOT a Dutton. Nor is it a Lotus or a Classic or a Replica. It is a ringer and best avoided accordingly.

n3il123

2,607 posts

213 months

Thursday 20th August 2015
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Am I doing this right? eBay Linky

Liquid Knight

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15,754 posts

183 months

Thursday 20th August 2015
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n3il123 said:
Am I doing this right? eBay Linky
Yep. That's another re-listed one that's we've posted and reported about half a dozen times now. As for the Triggers Broom kit car the sooner it sells and the guy gets sued the better. wink

Cliftonite

8,408 posts

138 months

Monday 24th August 2015
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Cliftonite

8,408 posts

138 months

GC8

19,910 posts

190 months

Wednesday 26th August 2015
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" The original frame has been used for a custom project"

My arse it has!

Bikes are different to cars though, in that it has transitionally been the greedy/stupid insurance companies who were responsible for the supply of frames with V5s, stoking the bike theft fire.

Cliftonite

8,408 posts

138 months

Sunday 30th August 2015
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Liquid Knight

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15,754 posts

183 months

Sunday 30th August 2015
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Cliftonite said:
As eBay haven't lifted this one I've placed a bid. I'll be sure to leave honest feedback if I win. wink

Steffan

10,362 posts

228 months

Sunday 30th August 2015
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Cliftonite said:
Indeed. Motorcycle ringing is virtually undetectible. The ringing of cars is more difficult but as the constant disappearance of decent motors confirms, it is still a real problem. Efforts such as yours to limit the repetitions are an exccelent effort to make such illegality more difficult to achieve. But some still get through. Caveat Emptor must be every enthusiasts approach! Pity the DVLA/ VOSA are not more effective in reducing this criminality.

Liquid Knight

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15,754 posts

183 months

Sunday 30th August 2015
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One of my first bikes was a Honda CB1-400 import. I was told I could get a UK registered frame and swap all the bits over to bypass registering and a VOSA inspection.

Because I wasn't too keen stripping the bike apart and putting it all back together again. It would have taken a week between work and family stuff and the chances of losing a part or being distracted was great. I took it to a local bike dealer/garage (now justifiably out of business) who simply ground off the original frame number and stamped the new one on.

rolleyes

I refused to pay as it wasn't the job I asked them to do and demanded my spare frame be returned. It had also had the numbers ground off and chopped into pieces it was a collection of paperweights.

That is the last time I ever let anyone work on any of my vehicles. rolleyes

I ended up selling the CB1-400 for parts and buying a UK model CBR600. I did buy another CB1-400 a few years later with a knackered engine and fitted a 900 Fireblade engine two years before Honda made the Hornet. wink

GinG15

501 posts

171 months

Sunday 30th August 2015
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can anybody of the specialists tell me, which Make is behind this (kitcar?)reg:

TLG482L

Steffan

10,362 posts

228 months

Sunday 30th August 2015
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GinG15 said:
can anybody of the specialists tell me, which Make is behind this (kitcar?)reg:

TLG482L
Not from any of the websites I use.. Could be the plate has never been Registerd to that car? There are KC ringers about supposedly on unregistered plates sadly. Have you got any photos or further information?

GinG15

501 posts

171 months

Sunday 30th August 2015
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neither me is finding any info on the specific webpages, thats why i asked here

i got a scan of a v5 (the old one, without C) with that reg.

it shows a 1972 date and the make is from a kitcar manufacturer.

could be a coulor copy, which was photoshopped...i dont know



Edited by GinG15 on Sunday 30th August 21:47

GC8

19,910 posts

190 months

Sunday 30th August 2015
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V5 as opposed to V5C means that long enough has passed since there was any activity, even SORN as it will predate that, for it to drop off most systems. I had a car which didnt appear on anything until the beta tax and MOT site was launched.

GinG15

501 posts

171 months

Sunday 30th August 2015
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very strange on that scan is that the reg-date must have its origin in the donor.

but the v5 says number of former keepers "one"
last change of keeper 1982


the kit manufacturer started in 1982

the specific model (which is named correctly in the v5) started 1985

the chassis-numer indicates that the kit was built 1981

very strange......


Steffan

10,362 posts

228 months

Sunday 30th August 2015
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GinG15 said:
very strange on that scan is that the reg-date must have its origin in the donor.

but the v5 says number of former keepers "one"
last change of keeper 1982


the kit manufacturer started in 1982

the specific model (which is named correctly in the v5) started 1985

the chassis-numer indicates that the kit was built 1981

very strange......
It seems to me very probable that something is not right about this car.

If the kit car model was not around until three years after the build then something is most definitely suspect here. I well remember a supposed Dutton Sierra offered recently on Ebay and highlighted on here which was clearly not a Dutton Sierra. Indeed the car had no connection with Dutton apart from using the identity of the Dutton The car offered was obviously a Robin Hood creation masquerading as a Dutton Serra to avoid IVA.

Best avoided I think. There are these creations about and caution with the details of registration of kit cars is the best check.
Extreme caution need I think.