Ringing kits for sale on ebay...No not on our watch!

[ADEuk]

Does this count?
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Ford-Escort-Mk2-RS-2000-...

[Steffan]

ADEuk said:

Does this count?
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Ford-Escort-Mk2-RS-2000-...

IMO undoubtedly. Nothing f the original cassss there. Hopefully it will be reovd. However EBay are not very bothered.

[Liquid Knight]

ADEuk said:

Does this count?
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Ford-Escort-Mk2-RS-2000-...

HVX 785T

Good find and welcome along. Reported to eBay and posted on the RS owners club page.

[Cliftonite]

Steffan said:

ADEuk said:

Does this count?
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Ford-Escort-Mk2-RS-2000-...

IMO undoubtedly. Nothing f the original cassss there. Hopefully it will be reovd. However EBay are not very bothered.

Perhaps if we all report it to eBay they may take notice?

[GC8]

No one in the Philipines will even understand, let along care.

This will probably be used to turn a 2dr Pop into a Mexico, but it could equally be used to 'ring' a stolen car, making it an excellent find.

[Steffan]

Cliftonite said:

Steffan said:

ADEuk said:

Does this count?
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Ford-Escort-Mk2-RS-2000-...

IMO undoubtedly. Nothing f the original cassss there. Hopefully it will be reovd. However EBay are not very bothered.

Perhaps if we all report it to eBay they may take notice?

I certainly hope so. Every little helps and the more difficult ringing is made the better motoring enthusiasts can enjoy their cars. A great increase in identity swaps in the Kit car world currently which is bad news. Duttons and Robin Hoods being the most common but supposed Caterhams and Lotus cars are about using entirely different underpinnings to the supposed identity of the vehicles. Keep up the good work I think for the good of the real enthusiasts.

[Cliftonite]

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/VW-1973-classic-Beetle-c...

[FilH]

Ill just leave the details here, as might help someone in the future, not buy a ringer or find there stolen sapphire forsale!


Add link, tho will go missing eventually

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Ford-Sierra-RS-Cosworth-...

Part reg as covered up F453

but the money bit, full vin displayed

WFOFXXGBBFJL76370

engine no. JL76370 tho this is long gone

Grey 1988

owner one Andrew Richard Whittaker, who does say in his add "Will be very useful to someone if you know what your looking at" So i feel a name and shame is justified, what with the rising prices of sapphires too!

[Liquid Knight]

Only two Andrew Whittaker's in Preston on Facebook.

Provided Andrew Whittaker is owner and not just the name on the log book combined with the location of the sale.

[Liquid Knight]

FilH said:

Ill just leave the details here, as might help someone in the future, not buy a ringer or find there stolen sapphire forsale!


Add link, tho will go missing eventually

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Ford-Sierra-RS-Cosworth-...

Part reg as covered up F453

but the money bit, full vin displayed

WFOFXXGBBFJL76370

engine no. JL76370 tho this is long gone

Grey 1988

owner one Andrew Richard Whittaker, who does say in his add "Will be very useful to someone if you know what your looking at" So i feel a name and shame is justified, what with the rising prices of sapphires too!

eBay removed it with twenty three minutes to go.

Good work guys.

[Cliftonite]

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Land-Rover-Defender-90-L...

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Land-Rover-defender-chas...


One would have thought a picture of the chassis more important than the paperwork?

:naive:

[Liquid Knight]

From the RS owners club...

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/231708207690?clk_rvr_id=...

[GC8]

Id have no issue with that if it is restored. I suspect that it will be as it will be far too rich for a thief to chance his arm on.

Remember: there are 'original' (and FIA accredited) GT40s and D Types which have one piece if chassis tube from an original car! There are definitely two GT40s with one identity and this will be orders of magnitude more original than those if restored.

[Liquid Knight]

GC8 said:

Id have no issue with that if it is restored. I suspect that it will be as it will be far too rich for a thief to chance his arm on.

Remember: there are 'original' (and FIA accredited) GT40s and D Types which have one piece if chassis tube from an original car! There are definitely two GT40s with one identity and this will be orders of magnitude more original than those if restored.

Ah a genuine MkI RS2000 is worth £10,000-£30,000 depending on mileage, spec, history etc.

£5,000 for a ringing and free stolen car is still enough of a profit to turn that third of a shell (nowhere near enough to legitimately put back on the road by any stretch of the imagination) into someone else's loss.

[lowdrag]

GC8 said:

Remember: there are 'original' (and FIA accredited) GT40s and D Types which have one piece if chassis tube from an original car! There are definitely two GT40s with one identity and this will be orders of magnitude more original than those if restored.

That is rather a misleading statement. I built a replica which was FIA approved and know of many that are similar. Having FIA papers and the market accepting that it is a real car as far as value is concerned is a different matter. That is down to continuity and contiguity. If a car "disappeared" for 30 years, or is written up in the annals as being dismantled for spares, a car appearing suddenly might claim the original car's chassis number because certain original parts are in the car but, certainly in the case of Jaguar, will never get a Heritage certificate from the trust. In 2001 it took two firms of lawyers to come up with the wording "evocation" in the sales catalogue when one car was sold, and it fetched one third of the going rate.

[Cliftonite]

More holes in the advert than in the (optional!) chassis:

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/TRIUMPH-SPITFIRE-MK4-KIT...

[Cliftonite]

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1988-LAND-ROVER-110-V8-L...

[Liquid Knight]

Cliftonite said:

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1988-LAND-ROVER-110-V8-L...

Registration E542 BLG
Document reference number 4224 845 6066

[GC8]

lowdrag said:

GC8 said:

Remember: there are 'original' (and FIA accredited) GT40s and D Types which have one piece if chassis tube from an original car! There are definitely two GT40s with one identity and this will be orders of magnitude more original than those if restored.

That is rather a misleading statement. I built a replica which was FIA approved and know of many that are similar. Having FIA papers and the market accepting that it is a real car as far as value is concerned is a different matter. That is down to continuity and contiguity. If a car "disappeared" for 30 years, or is written up in the annals as being dismantled for spares, a car appearing suddenly might claim the original car's chassis number because certain original parts are in the car but, certainly in the case of Jaguar, will never get a Heritage certificate from the trust. In 2001 it took two firms of lawyers to come up with the wording "evocation" in the sales catalogue when one car was sold, and it fetched one third of the going rate.

If you don't understand what I meant then I will accept that it was not as clear as it could be, but it is not misleading. It is, in fact, fact.

You are presuming that this is recent and that current protocols apply. It isn't and they don't: these cars have been back, accepted and competing for decades.

[Liquid Knight]

I see both points.

Yes there are more Lotus Cortina's registered now than there were ever made due to lapses in the old system.

Now it would be all but impossible to pull the same kind of tricks (we hope).