Ringing kits for sale on ebay...No not on our watch!

[iSore]

Liquid Knight said:

I have never and would never buy an engine without seeing the V5C from the donor first.

Well done.

[Jimmy Recard]

Thanks for the thoughts, guys. I'm making a checklist for any engine I look at now.

Still haven't decided how to proceed with this car but I don't want to get rid of it and don't need to use it, so a running project would be fun.

[Jimmy Recard]

GC8 said:

All you can do, beyond buying the vendor, is look at the engine number. Its rare to see one replaced that looks original. I suspect that The Man is far less interested in the engines provenance than you are, though.

That's probably true, but if I didn't know it was legitimately sourced, I'd probably feel a bit bad wondering if someone's car had been nicked and broken up for it.

There is the possibility it comes back to you I suppose, however unlikely. I would only want to do it right and legal and that is my main concern.

[Liquid Knight]

Jimmy Recard said:

There is the possibility it comes back to you I suppose, however unlikely. I would only want to do it right and legal and that is my main concern.

In my other thread a friend of mine bought BMW E36 touring with an undeclared 3.2 M3 conversion. It was really well done and kind of "The car BMW should have made" vibe to it. Wanting to make sure he was legit he sent the log book off with the new engine number and capacity. A week later the car was seized and he was arrested and interviewed by the Police for receiving stolen goods and an accessory to the theft of a motor vehicle. The engine, gearbox and other M3 parts were from a stolen car.

He lost the car, the money he paid for it and could have ended up a lot worse.




You can only be too careful and if you have any reason or gut feeling about the seller, source or legitimacy of the donor vehicle walk away.

There are plenty of VXR's out there being broken for spares.

Edited by Liquid Knight on Monday 11th April 14:15

[E36GUY]

Liquid Knight said:

In my other thread a friend of mine bought BMW E36 touring with an undeclared 3.2 M3 conversion. It was really well done and kind of "The car BMW should have made" vibe to it. Wanting to make sure he was legit he sent the log book off with the new engine number and capacity. A week later the car was seized and he was arrested and interviewed by the Police for receiving stolen goods and an accessory to the theft of a motor vehicle. The engine, gearbox and other M3 parts were from a stolen car.

He lost the car, the money he paid for it and could have ended up a lot worse.

buuuuut. Why on earth did he not do his due diligence beforehand.

And surely there is a case for some comeback on the seller? Small claims etc?

[Liquid Knight]

E36GUY said:

buuuuut. Why on earth did he not do his due diligence beforehand.

And surely there is a case for some comeback on the seller? Small claims etc?

We're learning from his mistake. The seller met him at a pub with no cctv and sold the car via a Gumtree advert from a bogus email address and pay as you go mobile. As far as I know the Police haven't caught them as yet.

[iSore]

Liquid Knight said:

We're learning from his mistake. The seller met him at a pub with no cctv and sold the car via a Gumtree advert from a bogus email address and pay as you go mobile. As far as I know the Police haven't caught them as yet.

So basically, he landed himself in the st. What an utterly stupid way to buy a car! Every mistake in the book.

[Liquid Knight]

iSore said:

So basically, he landed himself in the st. What an utterly stupid way to buy a car! Every mistake in the book.

Pretty much. We all make mistakes.

My first car was a Triumph Vitesse MkI estate barn find. I worked over the Summer at the farm to pay for it. Got the car home, learned to weld and basic mechanics restoring the old girl and when I sent a V62 off it turned out to be a car that was stolen in the 80's. Lucky for me I bought it from the insurance company for the £50 they paid out for it but with an age related plate and black mark on the history even though it was rare it wasn't worth what I had spent.

[Steffan]

Liquid Knight said:

iSore said:

So basically, he landed himself in the st. What an utterly stupid way to buy a car! Every mistake in the book.

Pretty much. We all make mistakes.

My first car was a Triumph Vitesse MkI estate barn find. I worked over the Summer at the farm to pay for it. Got the car home, learned to weld and basic mechanics restoring the old girl and when I sent a V62 off it turned out to be a car that was stolen in the 80's. Lucky for me I bought it from the insurance company for the £50 they paid out for it but with an age related plate and black mark on the history even though it was rare it wasn't worth what I had spent.

Interesting and very honest abpnd open comments and I wholeheartedly agree with the sentiments!

I used to buy uncompleted kit cars enmasse buying literally dozens and dozens of unseen kit cars over the years. I relied totally on the seller being honest and in every case the car was recovered fom a postcode address and the sellers were absolutely genuine. Many of my friends into cars were very surprised that I never had a problem ever on the cars not being as described at all. All genuine sellers on this type of purchase at the time.

However those days have long gone and will not return.

With uncompleted kt cars (which are my thing!) nowadays post IVA consequences such tactics are madness. Indeed I am beginning to think that, given the complexities of IVA, that buying any unregistered uncompleted project simply is not worth the candle nowadays? Simply uneconomic to try and get a kit car not comletely designed to comply with IVA, from the start, through IVA at all, anymore.

It could be done but it would be much and much more sensible to buy a completed registered car initially. Unregistered projects on modified and uncompeted cars are really no longer worth the risks. Not viable any longer!

Purely by luck I have not as yet ever been scammed in ths way. Nowadays I fully agree with the concerns and caution expressed by Liquid Knght above and adopt the same cautious approach. Caveat Emptor really is the only approach nowadays! There but for fortune.......?

[Liquid Knight]

I like it when this and my other thread that both started out as good intentions become a debate. It means people are thinking about it and even when we get a few trolls all it does is bump the thread to the top of the page so more people see it.

If everyone who see this thread now goes on eBay or other sources and looks for log books and V5C's and reports them. Even if one in a thousand removed listings results in someone's car not being stolen that's a result.

So once again thank you all for getting involved; positively or not it all counts.

[GC8]

There is either more to the BMW story, or your friend is extremely naïve. You cannot lose a car because of the engine fitted. At best the insurer or owner only has a claim to the identified part and even then you will not simply lose it.

I should point out too the 'the police' have no say whatsoever in who keeps what: that is down to the court.

[Liquid Knight]

There is but one tends to simplify things for the forum format and to ensure the anonymity of my friend.

Short version after the Police seized it apart from the shell, doors and other obvious touring parts they could not determine the origin of most of it. Rather than end up with a bare shell or have to buy the parts from the insurance company the way I did with my Vitesse he signed it over and the car was crushed in the end. He never got his money back, learned a valuable lesson and did a ridiculous number of checks when he bought his current BMW 850

It's a shame because I liked the idea of the M3 touring and if I ever have the funds and legitimate sources I'd like to build one. Maybe the E46 V8 in an E36 shell as 3.2 E36 Evo's are rare these days and well worth rescuing if one comes up cat' C or D. That'll be a while away as I have too many project on the boil at the moment.

[Liquid Knight]

Meanwhile back on topic.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Land-Rover-Series-Projec...

Land Rover bulkhead and identity.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Jaguar-S-Type-1966-3-4-M...

Jaguar S-Type Ringing Kit

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Jaguar-Xj6-Series-1-Chas...

Xj-6 Ringing Kit

[Steffan]

Liquid Knight said:

Meanwhile back on topic.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Land-Rover-Series-Projec...

Land Rover bulkhead and identity.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Jaguar-S-Type-1966-3-4-M...

Jaguar S-Type Ringing Kit

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Jaguar-Xj6-Series-1-Chas...

Xj-6 Ringing Kit

Every one of which is, as you maintain correctly, not, at all, what it purports to be and these nonsenses should not be happening.

The DVLA is not proving effective in preventing such misrepresentation and the more threads like this the better the chance that unsuspecting buyers will become aware of the reality of the risks of buying such profferrngs.

Keep up the good work!

[Liquid Knight]

Liquid Knight said:

There is but one tends to simplify things for the forum format...

Steffan said:

Every one of which is, as you maintain correctly, not, at all, what it purports to be and these nonsenses should not be happening.

The DVLA is not proving effective in preventing such misrepresentation and the more threads like this the better the chance that unsuspecting buyers will become aware of the reality of the risks of buying such profferrngs.

Keep up the good work!

[PoleDriver]

Liquid Knight said:

Meanwhile back on topic.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Land-Rover-Series-Projec...

Land Rover bulkhead and identity.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Jaguar-S-Type-1966-3-4-M...

Jaguar S-Type Ringing Kit

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Jaguar-Xj6-Series-1-Chas...

Xj-6 Ringing Kit

Well I've reported all 3 twice!
The first one has been 'removed by the seller', the others are still there!

[GC8]

Liquid Knight said:

There is but one tends to simplify things for the forum format and to ensure the anonymity of my friend.

Short version after the Police seized it apart from the shell, doors and other obvious touring parts they could not determine the origin of most of it. Rather than end up with a bare shell or have to buy the parts from the insurance company the way I did with my Vitesse he signed it over and the car was crushed in the end. He never got his money back, learned a valuable lesson and did a ridiculous number of checks when he bought his current BMW 850

It's a shame because I liked the idea of the M3 touring and if I ever have the funds and legitimate sources I'd like to build one. Maybe the E46 V8 in an E36 shell as 3.2 E36 Evo's are rare these days and well worth rescuing if one comes up cat' C or D. That'll be a while away as I have too many project on the boil at the moment.

He certainly got the stty end of the stick there. Not uncommon where people don't understand the system, where they stand and the powers that others have without relying on their compliance.

[Liquid Knight]

PoleDriver said:

Well I've reported all 3 twice!
The first one has been 'removed by the seller', the others are still there!

The Land Rover Owners Club got on it.

[Liquid Knight]

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/MGB-GT-BODY-SHELL-1979-C...

MGB in a Jiffy bag.

[Cfnteabag]

https://www.gumtree.com/p/cars-vans-motorbikes/ser...

Found this one on Gumtree, I reported it a couple of days ago but its still there