Ringing kits for sale on ebay...No not on our watch!

[Liquid Knight]

hora said:

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/201683160235

I'd buy that. Put it on a plinth in my garden or the Tate modern.

[InitialDave]

Liquid Knight said:

I have never understood why people do that Dave. Why cut and shut a Range Rover so anyone who has ever seen a Land Rover before can tell it's nothing like the original chassis when going from leaf to coil springs is very straight forward?

You can even use the old leaf spring hangers to mount a four link set up for better articulation. If off roading is the goal limiting yourself to old Range Rover parts, travel and clearance is a massive compromise.

Obviously cost is key here and I'm sure a cut and shut without Type Approval is cheaper but personally if I were into that sort of thing I would spend a little more and do a better job of it.

I might build something one day but there isn't really anything in Norfolk that a standard Panda 4x4 can't handle.

Yeah, it always used to be the cheapest approach, probably still is to be hones, and it's not like there's anything particularly wrong with it as a technique. But in this sense, I was using it to illustrate why someone might not want to go the "official" route, when for a standard car (even one made from a random selection of bits), the official route is not a barrier to having an age-correct identity.


I hear you on the Pandas. As long as you stay out of other vehicles' deeper ruts, they'll go most places. I really should get one of mine back on (and off) the road!

[Cliftonite]

Re-listed?

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Land-Rover-110-1984-V8-L...

A357 YBO

[InitialDave]

I like how he covers up his details on one picture but not the other.

[Liquid Knight]

Cliftonite said:

Re-listed?

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Land-Rover-110-1984-V8-L...

A357 YBO

Yep. I was about to repost it as well.

NaVCIS aware.

[Josho]

Have only read replies intended for me.

Wasn't a wind up. Was told when they got it on the truck they wanted to cut numbers out as I was saying I half wanted the chassis (it's not a monocoque) to use the metal on it and he offered it back.

I've just phoned 101 and emailed all I know.

[Liquid Knight]

Josho said:

Have only read replies intended for me.

Wasn't a wind up. Was told when they got it on the truck they wanted to cut numbers out as I was saying I half wanted the chassis (it's not a monocoque) to use the metal on it and he offered it back.

I've just phoned 101 and emailed all I know.

Good on you. Hopefully someone else's van won't get nicked or they'll catch the scumbums if they have already.

[Liquid Knight]

The RS Owners Club are at it again.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/252574439509?clk_rvr_id=...

eBay listing said:

YES its a GENUINE ESCORT RS TURBO MK3 S1 IN BLACK

eBay listing said:

re-shelled many years ago into an early mk3 shell.

So it's at best an RST replica but has the RST identity ringed on to it.

I wonder if it comes with a free barge pole?

Edited by Liquid Knight on Sunday 9th October 14:47

[anonymous-user]

If a new identity was going to be put on a stolen car of the same type why would anyone change the body shell?

[E36Ross]

Check what the UK Reg on this comes back as, (It's in the add near the bottom) http://m.ebay.co.uk/itm/232105726357

[Liquid Knight]

V6Pushfit said:

If a new identity was going to be put on a stolen car of the same type why would anyone change the body shell?

They have re-shelled a collision damaged or rusty car using an earlier body but swapped the identity over so to the untrained eye it reads back as a genuine RS Turbo.

Replica based on an early shell is only worth £3,000-4,000 at best.

Genuine Series one RS Turbo's are making £15,000+ in good condition these days.

Making something appear to be more valuable than it is by deception is fraud. The car should have it's original chassis number, VIN plate and number plates.

[rampageturke]

E36Ross said:

Check what the UK Reg on this comes back as, (It's in the add near the bottom) http://m.ebay.co.uk/itm/232105726357

Vehicle colour: BEIGE
oh dear

[E36Ross]

rampageturke said:

E36Ross said:

Check what the UK Reg on this comes back as, (It's in the add near the bottom) http://m.ebay.co.uk/itm/232105726357

Vehicle colour: BEIGE
oh dear

Also an excellent job converting it from a 5 door to 3.....

[iSore]

Liquid Knight said:

So it's at best an RST replica but has the RST identity ringed on to it.

I wonder if it comes with a free barge pole?

Edited by Liquid Knight on Sunday 9th October 14:47

So it's definitely not a damaged/rotten RS Turbo that was rebuilt with a secondhand shell a decade or so ago?

You can confirm to the contrary?

[Liquid Knight]

iSore said:

Liquid Knight said:

So it's at best an RST replica but has the RST identity ringed on to it.

I wonder if it comes with a free barge pole?

Edited by Liquid Knight on Sunday 9th October 14:47

So it's definitely not a damaged/rotten RS Turbo that was rebuilt with a secondhand shell a decade or so ago?

You can confirm to the contrary?

It's exactly that but the identity from the RS Turbo has been ringed into the donor shell. It's not even an RS Turbo shell if you look at it for more than a few seconds the roof channels and suspension turrets are wrong for a start.

[Henzy]

Free pile of rust with this V5

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1965-Alfa-Romeo-Giulia-G...

[rovermorris999]

Another one for the number
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/131965192021?ul_noapp=tr...

[iSore]

Liquid Knight said:

It's exactly that but the identity from the RS Turbo has been ringed into the donor shell. It's not even an RS Turbo shell if you look at it for more than a few seconds the roof channels and suspension turrets are wrong for a start.

Is it illegal to rebuild a car into the shell of another?

[InitialDave]

iSore said:

Is it illegal to rebuild a car into the shell of another?

No, it's not flat out illegal, but it has to be done the right way.

If this Escort was rebuilt using an RS Turbo shell, it would qualify as a reconstructed classic vehicle (it is over 25 years old), and could be given an age-related registration number. The sticking point is that they've used a regular Escort shell and, as someone has pointed out, this isn't quite the same as an RST shell. So by the strict letter of things, it couldn't qualify as being an RS Turbo any more. Depends if you can get it past the inspection, and seeing as that inspection would be done by someone from the RS Owners Club or similar, they'd probably spot it not being right.

[iSore]

InitialDave said:

No, it's not flat out illegal, but it has to be done the right way.

If this Escort was rebuilt using an RS Turbo shell, it would qualify as a reconstructed classic vehicle (it is over 25 years old), and could be given an age-related registration number. The sticking point is that they've used a regular Escort shell and, as someone has pointed out, this isn't quite the same as an RST shell. So by the strict letter of things, it couldn't qualify as being an RS Turbo any more. Depends if you can get it past the inspection, and seeing as that inspection would be done by someone from the RS Owners Club or similar, they'd probably spot it not being right.

Would the DVLA be able to spot the differences, or would they not take a more pragmatic view of it being an old Escort that was wrapped around a tree years ago and rebuilt?

And really, who cares? It's not being passed off as an original car - it is what it is. It's all very well for internet heroes to point the finger, but whoever buys it won't give a toss.