Ringing kits for sale on ebay...No not on our watch!
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iSore said:
Would the DVLA be able to spot the differences, or would they not take a more pragmatic view of it being an old Escort that was wrapped around a tree years ago and rebuilt?
Given the swap's been and gone years ago, it's probably a moot point at this stage, unless someone really wanted to cause hassle.But if you did that reshell tomorrow, the "correct" method would involve an assessment by an expert from an owners club, who's likely to spot it, and so could say that it's not correct for what is being claimed.
iSore said:
And really, who cares? It's not being passed off as an original car - it is what it is. It's all very well for internet heroes to point the finger, but whoever buys it won't give a toss.
I don't have an issue with them doing it, but someone an owner or two down the line is going to get a nasty surprise if they pay top money for a "genuine" RS Turbo from a seller who's conveniently forgotten about the swap.This particular seller isn't hiding anything, he's open about the swap, and I'm inclined to let him just get on with it. But the car isn't quite what it says on the V5, so nor do I have a problem with people posting it in this thread.
"something" , but registered as Dutton
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/ford-kitkar-2ltr-16-valv...
DUTTON-FORD UNKNOWN 1985
Registration number: Q326RCA
Body type: Saloon
Colour: Brown
Date of first registration: June 1985
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/ford-kitkar-2ltr-16-valv...
DUTTON-FORD UNKNOWN 1985
Registration number: Q326RCA
Body type: Saloon
Colour: Brown
Date of first registration: June 1985
GinG15 said:
"something" , but registered as Dutton
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/ford-kitkar-2ltr-16-valv...
DUTTON-FORD UNKNOWN 1985
Registration number: Q326RCA
Body type: Saloon
Colour: Brown
Date of first registration: June 1985
Yet another example of an incorrectly described Kit Car which is most certainly not what it is purporting to be.http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/ford-kitkar-2ltr-16-valv...
DUTTON-FORD UNKNOWN 1985
Registration number: Q326RCA
Body type: Saloon
Colour: Brown
Date of first registration: June 1985
Whether the advertiser is not actually aware of the reality of the ringing that has gone on with this car, I do not know, but the car is not correctly registered. Unfortunately Duttons are favourite for such ringing of kit cars the identifies are so asily obtained. Best avoided and well spotted. It is common to see such web sales withdrawn andI sincerely hope this one withdraws.
Never buy kit cars without thorough inspection and totally convincing hstory preferably with plenty of period photographs with the car supporting the identity of the Car, over its life must be the best defence. The days of trusting the details of such cars really have gone. Easy money for the dishonest few and not at all easy to detect. In years gone by I bought a lot of half built and unfinished kit cars. Not any more, it simply is no longer worth the risk.
GinG15 said:
"something" , but registered as Dutton
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/ford-kitkar-2ltr-16-valv...
DUTTON-FORD UNKNOWN 1985
Registration number: Q326RCA
Body type: Saloon
Colour: Brown
Date of first registration: June 1985
This car has nothing to do with this thread - it is not a V5 based ringing kithttp://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/ford-kitkar-2ltr-16-valv...
DUTTON-FORD UNKNOWN 1985
Registration number: Q326RCA
Body type: Saloon
Colour: Brown
Date of first registration: June 1985
It is a s
t kit car on a Q plate and selling accordinglyInitialDave said:
Willhire89 said:
This car has nothing to do with this thread - it is not a V5 based ringing kit
It is a st kit car on a Q plate and selling accordingly
No, it is V5 based ringing.It is a s
t kit car on a Q plate and selling accordinglyWillhire89 said:
It is on a Q plate - there is no lower level of registration and certainly nothing financially to be gained
RIGHT.It's on a Q-plate, because it is wearing the cloned identity of an old Dutton kit car, registered loooong before the current system for kit car registration hoved into view. That is the ringing.
The reason to do this is because you would now need to put such a kit through an IVA test, which would cost £450. That is the financial gain (not that there needs to eb one for ringing to be ringing).
Plus there's the question over whether it'd even pass an IVA (it probably wouldn't, and thus need the expense of rectification, probably extensive).
InitialDave said:
Willhire89 said:
It is on a Q plate - there is no lower level of registration and certainly nothing financially to be gained
RIGHT.It's on a Q-plate, because it is wearing the cloned identity of an old Dutton kit car, registered loooong before the current system for kit car registration hoved into view. That is the ringing.
The reason to do this is because you would now need to put such a kit through an IVA test, which would cost £450. That is the financial gain (not that there needs to eb one for ringing to be ringing).
Plus there's the question over whether it'd even pass an IVA (it probably wouldn't, and thus need the expense of rectification, probably extensive).
I have seen a number of these ringers which have been about at various Kit Car garages that I have known and vsited for years, indeed multiple decades of personally, building racing and enjoying kit cars. It is a growing problem becase the requirements of IVA have made correctly registering such cars way beyond reasonable economic costs.
The trials and tribulations I have seen even with the most expert kit car builders in trying to register any cars that have no real hstory has confirmed to me that the days of unfinished kit car buying has gone. Heavily modified production cars, on the road for many years, can also be very exacting, when heavily modified and not properly registered. By no means easy.
Getting such cars properly registered post IVA has gone I regret to say. Provenance, full history, full receipts and preferably old dated photographs of the car going back years and showing the plates in detail is really the best protection. Caveat Emptor is the only approach.
It looks like the old Triumph front end Ford rear Dutton chassis to me that has had (let's be as polite as possible here) different bodywork. The nose from this, sides from that and a cut down Dutton rear. Maybe the front half was damaged or the fiberglass was old cracked and it was cheaper to replace that repair. Lord knows new Dutton paneling is hard to come by.
At best it's a re-body rather than a ringer but I can see where everyone is coming from.
Swapping out the boat anchor Pinto for a Zetec makes a lot of sense as well.
Still a good spot.
At best it's a re-body rather than a ringer but I can see where everyone is coming from.
Swapping out the boat anchor Pinto for a Zetec makes a lot of sense as well.
Still a good spot.
InitialDave said:
It looks exactly like a Locost/Haynes Roadster chassis adapted to mid-engine, with Mondeo parts, and has the owner saying it's based on a Mondeo.
I didn't look at the engine shot. 
Why the bloody Hell would you do something like that?
It must handle like of of those kiddie drift trikes.
Liquid Knight said:
InitialDave said:
It looks exactly like a Locost/Haynes Roadster chassis adapted to mid-engine, with Mondeo parts, and has the owner saying it's based on a Mondeo.
I didn't look at the engine shot. Why the bloody Hell would you do something like that?
It must handle like of of those kiddie drift trikes.
As LQ correctly says why build such a heavily modified and very possibly completey rechassied, when anyone interested in it kit cars would surely be aware of the changes requiring the involvement of the DVLA before returning the car to the road?It seems to me likely to be because registering such a car is such s ball ache?
There are literally dozens of modified cars offered every week on the web in the UK. Very few have been reregisterd, perhaps unsurprisingly and almost invariably the advertisers suggest registration of such cars is easy. Not any more it's not!
Registration of unfinished part built kit cars and heavily modded road cars require a lot of effort particularly when much more powerful engines etc are involved. We all need to be aware the game has changed in the UK and prospective purchasers need to be aware of the changes. As LQ says the consequences can be very expensive indeed!
Interesting ad! Openly admits that an 71 car was reshelled into a 81 car, but is now tax free.
http://www.carandclassic.co.uk/car/C800127
http://www.carandclassic.co.uk/car/C800127
tr7v8 said:
Interesting ad! Openly admits that an 71 car was reshelled into a 81 car, but is now tax free.
http://www.carandclassic.co.uk/car/C800127
As others have said on here the DVLA have not really been interested in these Try ons in past and more and more of these improperly registered cars are about in consequence. Seem to be growing into a real nuisance. I would like to see ths prevented but that seems highly unlikely to me.http://www.carandclassic.co.uk/car/C800127
Extreme caution by the prospective buyers must be the best protection.
As an aside I do like tr7v8's moniker.
I ran several of these years ago but time and rust finished them!
At least I'm still going (ish) on good days. Bad days are BAD!
Liquid Knight said:
It looks like the old Triumph front end Ford rear Dutton chassis to me that has had (let's be as polite as possible here) different bodywork. The nose from this, sides from that and a cut down Dutton rear. Maybe the front half was damaged or the fiberglass was old cracked and it was cheaper to replace that repair. Lord knows new Dutton paneling is hard to come by.
At best it's a re-body rather than a ringer but I can see where everyone is coming from.
Swapping out the boat anchor Pinto for a Zetec makes a lot of sense as well.
Still a good spot.
i cannot see anything from a ford based , nor a triumph based dutton here. neither suspension, nor body, nor chassis.At best it's a re-body rather than a ringer but I can see where everyone is coming from.
Swapping out the boat anchor Pinto for a Zetec makes a lot of sense as well.
Still a good spot.
side panels (size/design) look a bit locost-ish
its abvious that the sole part used on this car from a dutton is the v5c.
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