Ringing kits for sale on ebay...No not on our watch!
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http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/rs2000-log-book-w-reg-co...
£320 and eight bidders.
Anyone know any Police officers in Newcastle that could give this guy a knock at the door?
£320 and eight bidders.
Anyone know any Police officers in Newcastle that could give this guy a knock at the door?
Liquid Knight said:
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/rs2000-log-book-w-reg-co...
£320 and eight bidders.
Anyone know any Police officers in Newcastle that could give this guy a knock at the door?
Reported.£320 and eight bidders.
Anyone know any Police officers in Newcastle that could give this guy a knock at the door?
Still up there.
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&am...
Anyone know the email form Newcastle Police?
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&am...
Anyone know the email form Newcastle Police?
The Moose said:
Are these actually illegal to sell on? Or is it just illegal to make use of the ringing kit?
When a car is recycled, your supposed to send the V5 back to the DVLA. . . . . . . assuming that you have scraped the car and not simply chucked all the rusty / damaged bits away and kept the good parts as well as the docs, for use as a future restoration project . . . .at the very least, its a very grey areaThanks to the DVLA and its Continuous Registrations department they can sting you for £40-£80 if the log book gets lost in the post (see DVLA vs Liquid Knight). Sadly no matter how hard they try to make it look like you've broken the law it is a civil dispute with the DVLA at best.
The main issue here is.....
The main issue here is.....
The Law said:
Accessory To Theft
An accessory to theft charge is a criminal charge. Those who are facing this particular type of legal proceeding are likely to be involved in some way with a theft, of any type. The accessory is not the person who completed the theft themselves, however they were involved in the incident either directly or indirectly in some way. An accessory may be someone who provides getaway transportation, arranges, assists or commands the theft. They may be someone who hides the evidence or the criminal after the fact, knowing that the criminal has committed the crime. As an accessory to theft, the individual is likely to face legal charges, though they are likely to be less significant than that of the actual criminal.
So if you sell a vehicles identity and that is then used to change the identity of a stolen vehicle you are an accessory to the actual theft. An accessory to theft charge is a criminal charge. Those who are facing this particular type of legal proceeding are likely to be involved in some way with a theft, of any type. The accessory is not the person who completed the theft themselves, however they were involved in the incident either directly or indirectly in some way. An accessory may be someone who provides getaway transportation, arranges, assists or commands the theft. They may be someone who hides the evidence or the criminal after the fact, knowing that the criminal has committed the crime. As an accessory to theft, the individual is likely to face legal charges, though they are likely to be less significant than that of the actual criminal.
Liquid Knight said:
reportedLiquid Knight said:
Still up there.
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&am...
Anyone know the email form Newcastle Police?
Finally down, thanks guys. http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&am...
Anyone know the email form Newcastle Police?
So if it was up to most of the people on this thread, rare old cars would just become extinct? Why report the MGB and RS2000 auctions, for example? You can buy a brand new MGB bodyshell. If you had an MGB that was the love of your life (maybe an MG was a bad example!) but was completely rotten beyond saving, would you scrap it and tell the DVLA it was scrapped? Or would you buy a replacement shell?
Welshwonder said:
So if it was up to most of the people on this thread, rare old cars would just become extinct? Why report the MGB and RS2000 auctions, for example? You can buy a brand new MGB bodyshell. If you had an MGB that was the love of your life (maybe an MG was a bad example!) but was completely rotten beyond saving, would you scrap it and tell the DVLA it was scrapped? Or would you buy a replacement shell?
I wouldn't lie about the identity to raise the resale value. I wouldn't try to pass off an unsafely restored/built car as something it wasn't. Ringing is not about keeping old cars on the roads - it's about disguising the history and origins of something. Heritage shell builds?
Last time I checked you can't get one for an Escort.
As for MG all the body pannels are available to build a shell from scratch yourself if you wanted to, it's lazyness buying one and in my opinion should be registered as a kit car or on a "Q" plate. Coming from someone who has restored six MGBs, three Midgets and a Frogeye Sprite in the past (and enjoyed every single weld) I would never ever; ever use a heritage shell. There was talk of cars having to retain at least 70% of their original body/chassis to not require an IVA/SVA. Sadly Heritage shell kit cars are making as much as fully restored cars (that have taken longer) or even original ones (that have been better looked after) and if you can buy the identity of a car easilly enough and use new parts as well you can build an MGB in a weekend, get it M.O.T'd and on the road. You could argue it's a good thing and a good way of keeping an old car on the road but it isn't the case when it's a new shell and new bits it should be classed as a new car or replica.
The Escort ringing kit was destined for two things. Someones pride and joy being stolen so the eBay identity can be used to make sure the rightful owner never saw their car again or used to register a ropey kit car to avoid an SVA/IVA and therefore may well kill (or worse) the next owner.
If you have a problem with a few people wanting to stop that from happening then that's your opinion.
Last time I checked you can't get one for an Escort.
As for MG all the body pannels are available to build a shell from scratch yourself if you wanted to, it's lazyness buying one and in my opinion should be registered as a kit car or on a "Q" plate. Coming from someone who has restored six MGBs, three Midgets and a Frogeye Sprite in the past (and enjoyed every single weld) I would never ever; ever use a heritage shell. There was talk of cars having to retain at least 70% of their original body/chassis to not require an IVA/SVA. Sadly Heritage shell kit cars are making as much as fully restored cars (that have taken longer) or even original ones (that have been better looked after) and if you can buy the identity of a car easilly enough and use new parts as well you can build an MGB in a weekend, get it M.O.T'd and on the road. You could argue it's a good thing and a good way of keeping an old car on the road but it isn't the case when it's a new shell and new bits it should be classed as a new car or replica.
The Escort ringing kit was destined for two things. Someones pride and joy being stolen so the eBay identity can be used to make sure the rightful owner never saw their car again or used to register a ropey kit car to avoid an SVA/IVA and therefore may well kill (or worse) the next owner.
If you have a problem with a few people wanting to stop that from happening then that's your opinion.
Welshwonder said:
So if it was up to most of the people on this thread, rare old cars would just become extinct? Why report the MGB and RS2000 auctions, for example? You can buy a brand new MGB bodyshell. If you had an MGB that was the love of your life (maybe an MG was a bad example!) but was completely rotten beyond saving, would you scrap it and tell the DVLA it was scrapped? Or would you buy a replacement shell?
If you had the ID from your pride and joy to put on a car you were re-shelling, then you wouldn't be selling them on Ebay. The ease of ringing classic cars is the reason for the huge numbers that are stolen, and the sale of reg docs and plates is adding to the problem.MG's not necessarily a bad example!
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Historic-Land-Rover-V5-l...
Ended because it's no longer available.
Ended because it's no longer available.
eBay message said:
Dear tubethings,
I found this item via a thread on Pistonheads called "Ringing kits for sale on eBay"
Did you know that if you sell this vehicles identity and it is used to ring a stolen vehicle you could go to prison as an accessory to the actual theft of the vehicle.
Also the DVLA can fine you for failing to declare the vehicle as scrapped.
I hope the storys about prisons are exagerated and you don't end up a statistic.
That worked a lot quicker than reporting it. I found this item via a thread on Pistonheads called "Ringing kits for sale on eBay"
Did you know that if you sell this vehicles identity and it is used to ring a stolen vehicle you could go to prison as an accessory to the actual theft of the vehicle.
Also the DVLA can fine you for failing to declare the vehicle as scrapped.
I hope the storys about prisons are exagerated and you don't end up a statistic.
Edited by Liquid Knight on Saturday 1st October 21:21
Liquid Knight said:
Heritage shell builds?
Last time I checked you can't get one for an Escort.
http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/2552703.htmLast time I checked you can't get one for an Escort.
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