Ringing kits for sale on ebay...No not on our watch!

Ringing kits for sale on ebay...No not on our watch!

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Liquid Knight

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15,754 posts

184 months

Thursday 20th February 2014
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Steffan said:
Cliftonite said:
Liquid Knight said:
Cliftonite said:
Forwarded to Hertfordshire Police. cop
But this advertisement is still showing on eBay.

If you feel strongly about these log books etc (i.e. "Ringing Kits") for sale (and I firmly believe you should!) then please make your own reports to eBay (and the police if possible).

It is easy:

Done.
We do but if there's an opportunity to get one of these pillocks in cuffs then how can it be a bad thing. This guy is in the motoring trade, should know better and certainly should know he is breaking the law.

I hope it's his M3 that gets nicked.

Cliftonite

8,412 posts

139 months

Thursday 20th February 2014
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Liquid Knight

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15,754 posts

184 months

Thursday 20th February 2014
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Cliftonite said:
That bloody loophole again. Grrrrr!

Martin4x4

6,506 posts

133 months

Friday 21st February 2014
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Liquid Knight said:
Well worded but...

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Landrover-series-3-TAX-E...

...fits the profile. wink
That is a restoration project and looks legit.

This is log book fraud

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Land-Rover-109-tax-exemp...

richardgcs

150 posts

143 months

Tuesday 25th February 2014
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Sorry if im green but theres a logbook for a fulvia just come up on ebay-is this ok ?

Steffan

10,362 posts

229 months

Tuesday 25th February 2014
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richardgcs said:
Sorry if im green but theres a logbook for a fulvia just come up on ebay-is this ok ?
We all start from 0. A link would be good is it this one?

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/LANCIA-FULVIA-GT-BERLINA...

If it is that one it looks like a genuine car to me although LHD and needing work. What old Lancia does not?


marshalla

15,902 posts

202 months

Tuesday 25th February 2014
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richardgcs said:
Sorry if im green but theres a logbook for a fulvia just come up on ebay-is this ok ?
This one ?

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/LANCIA-FULVIA-COUPE-1-3-...


richardgcs

150 posts

143 months

Tuesday 25th February 2014
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marshalla said:
yes that one.

Escy

3,940 posts

150 months

Tuesday 25th February 2014
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Cliftonite said:
I can't understand why someone would ring a BMW M3 with a ID that's done 120,000 miles and is CAT D registered. I think he'd struggle to give it away let alone ask £1500 for it.

shakotan

10,709 posts

197 months

Wednesday 26th February 2014
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Escy said:
Cliftonite said:
I can't understand why someone would ring a BMW M3 with a ID that's done 120,000 miles and is CAT D registered. I think he'd struggle to give it away let alone ask £1500 for it.
A good example of an E46 M3 is worth £5-6k.

So steal £6k car, apply 'clean' ID, and you can drive around in a £6k that's only cost you £1500.

Even with the Cat D, you could sell it for £3500 all day.

marshalla

15,902 posts

202 months

Wednesday 26th February 2014
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richardgcs said:
marshalla said:
yes that one.
Looks iffy to me. Even if the car *is* recorded as scrapped at DVLA (depends on the age, but the V5 should have been surrendered when the car was scrapped), the logbook can be used to create a new (alternate) identity for another car and used to sell it to an unsuspecting customer.

ETA : it seems to have gone now anyway.


Edited by marshalla on Wednesday 26th February 10:47

Steffan

10,362 posts

229 months

Wednesday 26th February 2014
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marshalla said:
richardgcs said:
marshalla said:
yes that one.
Looks iffy to me. Even if the car *is* recorded at scrapped at DVLA (depends on the age, but the V5 should have been surrendered when the car was scrapped), the logbook can be used to create a new (alternate) identity for another car and used to sell it to an unsuspecting customer.

ETA : it seems to have gone now anyway.
It was reported to Ebay. Clearly illegal,

Escy

3,940 posts

150 months

Wednesday 26th February 2014
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shakotan said:
A good example of an E46 M3 is worth £5-6k.

So steal £6k car, apply 'clean' ID, and you can drive around in a £6k that's only cost you £1500.

Even with the Cat D, you could sell it for £3500 all day.
You could just steal it and break it for parts and make more than £3500 so it doesn't make sense.

shakotan

10,709 posts

197 months

Wednesday 26th February 2014
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Escy said:
shakotan said:
A good example of an E46 M3 is worth £5-6k.

So steal £6k car, apply 'clean' ID, and you can drive around in a £6k that's only cost you £1500.

Even with the Cat D, you could sell it for £3500 all day.
You could just steal it and break it for parts and make more than £3500 so it doesn't make sense.
That all takes time though, whereas swapping over a VIN plate and a set of number plates take about 10 minutes.

Liquid Knight

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15,754 posts

184 months

Wednesday 26th February 2014
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shakotan said:
Escy said:
shakotan said:
A good example of an E46 M3 is worth £5-6k.

So steal £6k car, apply 'clean' ID, and you can drive around in a £6k that's only cost you £1500.

Even with the Cat D, you could sell it for £3500 all day.
You could just steal it and break it for parts and make more than £3500 so it doesn't make sense.
That all takes time though, whereas swapping over a VIN plate and a set of number plates take about 10 minutes.
Some criminals are so because ultimately they are too lazy to get a job. It will take time, storage space and effort to strip and sell the parts from a stolen vehicle. The amount of shelf time means the more likely you are to get caught. If you can turn a car around and sell it in a weekend relatively risk free why would you have a shed full of stolen parts waiting to be sold. Even if you steal a car to order knowing there's a parts market for it the first thing owners do is look for similar vehicles for sale or being broken for spares for the first month at least.

That's how I got my bike back. It was advertised on Gumtree "CBR600 breaking for parts" two days after it was taken. I knew it was mine due to the custom paint job and the photo's in the advert. I passed the link onto the investigating officer and in total six bikes were recovered and the person selling the parts got five years for receiving stolen goods. The thieves got away but he got sent down at least. cop

Steffan

10,362 posts

229 months

Wednesday 26th February 2014
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shakotan said:
Escy said:
shakotan said:
A good example of an E46 M3 is worth £5-6k.

So steal £6k car, apply 'clean' ID, and you can drive around in a £6k that's only cost you £1500.

Even with the Cat D, you could sell it for £3500 all day.
You could just steal it and break it for parts and make more than £3500 so it doesn't make sense.
That all takes time though, whereas swapping over a VIN plate and a set of number plates take about 10 minutes.
That is correct though I might take a bit longer. That is why ringers are such bad news. Currently I see two or three Kit Car's a month which are not what they seem. That is a lot of KC's not properly registered or tested. Been rung in order to avoid doing the job properly and undergoing an IVA. Because I am friendly (ish) with all the Midland KC manufacturers I hear about these ringers on the grapevine in KC Midlands. Duttons which only have a Dutton Vin and are in fact anything but and built as new with various replaced bodies, RH's registered as Ginettas and so on. It is criminality, pure and simple. It puts unsafe untested cars on the road and if we can scupper then good IMO.

Liquid Knight

Original Poster:

15,754 posts

184 months

Wednesday 26th February 2014
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Steffan said:
shakotan said:
Escy said:
shakotan said:
A good example of an E46 M3 is worth £5-6k.

So steal £6k car, apply 'clean' ID, and you can drive around in a £6k that's only cost you £1500.

Even with the Cat D, you could sell it for £3500 all day.
You could just steal it and break it for parts and make more than £3500 so it doesn't make sense.
That all takes time though, whereas swapping over a VIN plate and a set of number plates take about 10 minutes.
That is correct though I might take a bit longer. That is why ringers are such bad news. Currently I see two or three Kit Car's a month which are not what they seem. That is a lot of KC's not properly registered or tested. Been rung in order to avoid doing the job properly and undergoing an IVA. Because I am friendly (ish) with all the Midland KC manufacturers I hear about these ringers on the grapevine in KC Midlands. Duttons which only have a Dutton Vin and are in fact anything but and built as new with various replaced bodies, RH's registered as Ginettas and so on. It is criminality, pure and simple. It puts unsafe untested cars on the road and if we can scupper then good IMO.
That's fraud as soon as you sell the kit car on. judge


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Cliftonite

8,412 posts

139 months

Thursday 6th March 2014
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mgtony

4,022 posts

191 months

Thursday 6th March 2014
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Cliftonite said:
If only there was a way to trace these people. hehe

Liquid Knight

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Thursday 6th March 2014
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mgtony said:
Cliftonite said:
If only there was a way to trace these people. hehe


It may be the previous owner and the seller is a local scrap collector who happens to be called Paul as well. He could have retained the log book to sell later.

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