RE: New Ginetta G60 Road Car Revealed
Discussion
MurtayaPM said:
The new MSC RTS, 500bhp, four wheel drive, 6 speed, 1061kgs curb weight
Not that that's a bad thing, not my kind of car, but I always thought it was a rather good idea and it was apparently brutally effective.
Edited by kambites on Wednesday 5th October 22:23
robinessex said:
So, Ginetta working in a shed, produce a car weighing 1080kg with a mixture of Carbon and Steel for £68,000, while Lamborghini, with all the resources of Audi and Boeing, produce the Sesto Elemento at 999kg, and are going to charge probably +£1m for it !!
Shed?
State of the art, 75,000 sq feet ... a shed?
Have a tour.
http://ginetta.com/factory
Looks ok but far too similar in looks to a Lotus. And with 310hp not appreciably different from one either, especially for the money.
For the money they should have used the EcoBoost version of that engine as it's off the shelf and is good for 435bhp and 500lb-ft with just a chip tune. Would be proper fast with one of these and you should see the durability tests these engines have gone through!
For the money they should have used the EcoBoost version of that engine as it's off the shelf and is good for 435bhp and 500lb-ft with just a chip tune. Would be proper fast with one of these and you should see the durability tests these engines have gone through!
From memory, I thought the Farboud looked better than this when I saw it go up the slope at Goodwood. It sounded great too then, really roarty,- - hopefully that hasn't been watered down.
Wish them luck. I think I would go for the new exige that's in the wings, and quite a fair bit faster (bhp-per-ton has leapt up by over 120bhp! in the new one) - that's got to be useful round wandsworth roundabout!
Wish them luck. I think I would go for the new exige that's in the wings, and quite a fair bit faster (bhp-per-ton has leapt up by over 120bhp! in the new one) - that's got to be useful round wandsworth roundabout!
kambites said:
Kong said:
Also, how much is the lack of TC, ABS etc down to cost saving (TVR style) as apposed to wanting to make it as stripped out and simple as possible.
I don't think you'd never leave out traction control for any reason other than cost saving. There's no disadvantage in having it if you can turn it off... it's not as if it weighs anything. Same with ABS, although the lack of servo might make that impossible. TC is mechanically not too complicated but still has a cost especially with the WCU management system required to run it etc.
Engines aren't cheap and the bigger power options climb in cost rapidly.
Strip them all and parts costs fall, man hours fall, complexity falls, risk of issues falls. I think it makes sense.
GhostDriver said:
Was kinda hoping that Ginetta would take up the old Lotus philosophy, and offer something light, cheap and fun.
Makes me smile. You do realise Ginetta made cars 'lighter' than some Lotus?I recall a well-known Lotus dealer crawling all over and under a Ginetta G4 at Brands saying 'how they hell do they get this car so low?'
The G4 weighed around 650kg.
Naturally in the road sports races this car, designed in 1959, built in 1960 and launched in Jan 1961 at the Racing Car Show, had been updated a tad but still built by the Walkletts. The road sport races at the end of the 90s included many Elises, Porsches, Morgans etc but the Ginetta G4 'walkletted'
the races, some by over 20 secs. Don't believe it, take a look! Move along to 1min 10sec and see it pee off the Lotuses and Porsche et al.
http://www.youtube.com/user/pisstnoff#p/u/17/dfvDs...
Give Ginetta some credit!
It was Ginetta launching their G4 who frightened Chapman to death at the 61 Racing Car Show. It was the sole reason he 'reduced' the price of the Lotus 7 by a hundred quid halfway through the show... to try and see off the G4 which was the same price as the the 7.
And don't forget the Lotus Elise frontal design was partially influenced by Ginetta's G12. Don't take my word for it, it's in a book on the Elise.
Oh and another bit of Ginetta news, the Walkletts are reintroducing the G12 as the Walklett G12 to be sold by Porsche dealer Paul Stephens as a track car and as a 'road car' -
interesting times!
kambites said:
Pft, "new" indeed! It's clearly a relaunched AMS Murtaya.
Not that that's a bad thing, not my kind of car, but I always thought it was a rather good idea and it was apparently brutally effective.
"New" in the fact that it now has full height door and a number of other changes. It is in essence an Mk 3 of the original AMS car. A lot of time and money has been put into addressing the problems that have been reported to us by AMS car owners. The RTS is the culmination of 15 months development. The one pictured is running an all forged internals, Roger Clark motorsport developed 2.1 L stroker motor managed by a Simtec ECU. Not that that's a bad thing, not my kind of car, but I always thought it was a rather good idea and it was apparently brutally effective.
Edited by kambites on Wednesday 5th October 22:23
GTRene said:
MurtayaPM said:
The new MSC RTS, 500bhp, four wheel drive, 6 speed, 1061kgs curb weight
Is that still a subaru engine? Í mean thats a lot of power for a sub.
dandarez said:
GhostDriver said:
Was kinda hoping that Ginetta would take up the old Lotus philosophy, and offer something light, cheap and fun.
Makes me smile. You do realise Ginetta made cars 'lighter' than some Lotus?I recall a well-known Lotus dealer crawling all over and under a Ginetta G4 at Brands saying 'how they hell do they get this car so low?'
The G4 weighed around 650kg.
Naturally in the road sports races this car, designed in 1959, built in 1960 and launched in Jan 1961 at the Racing Car Show, had been updated a tad but still built by the Walkletts. The road sport races at the end of the 90s included many Elises, Porsches, Morgans etc but the Ginetta G4 'walkletted'
the races, some by over 20 secs. Don't believe it, take a look! Move along to 1min 10sec and see it pee off the Lotuses and Porsche et al.
http://www.youtube.com/user/pisstnoff#p/u/17/dfvDs...
Give Ginetta some credit!
It was Ginetta launching their G4 who frightened Chapman to death at the 61 Racing Car Show. It was the sole reason he 'reduced' the price of the Lotus 7 by a hundred quid halfway through the show... to try and see off the G4 which was the same price as the the 7.
And don't forget the Lotus Elise frontal design was partially influenced by Ginetta's G12. Don't take my word for it, it's in a book on the Elise.
Oh and another bit of Ginetta news, the Walkletts are reintroducing the G12 as the Walklett G12 to be sold by Porsche dealer Paul Stephens as a track car and as a 'road car' -
interesting times!
I've always thought the G4 was one of the most beautifully-proportioned little sports-racing cars to be seen on track and road; a sort of mini-D-Type.
You'll no doubt recall another little British giant slayer, the Davrian.
KDIcarmad said:
At this price a lot of better know cars offer similar performance. I mean what does the name Ginetta mean to most people. Just the name Ferrari, Porsche, Lotus or Jaguar have means for most people. I hope Ginetta does well with a car like maybe not.
I don't think Porsche, Ferrari, Jaguar or Lotus produce anything at this price with this kind of performance (or at least power to weight ratio), though. At least not yet, the Exige V6 might be about there. I think the cheapest Porsche to get there is the 911 GT3, The cheapest Ferrari fullstop is the 458, Jag and Lotus don't produce anything that can match it.
Edited by kambites on Thursday 6th October 11:44
This has been discussed a lot already but it does seem strange.... Why provide what seems on paper to be an extremely focused package without all the nanny fanny b.s then fit fly-by-wire throttle? From a marketing point of view it doesn't make for a complete 'drivers' package. The driver in this case must be cost!
With all of these aids there are good and bad examples. I recently drove a car without power steering that was utter s
te and bizarrely felt completely over assisted at speed! Mechanical throttles can be wonderful if well engineered and lubricated.
Whoever suggested an ABS switch - good idea. Mechanical toggle switch please, not a software switch that follows its own rules.
With all of these aids there are good and bad examples. I recently drove a car without power steering that was utter s
te and bizarrely felt completely over assisted at speed! Mechanical throttles can be wonderful if well engineered and lubricated.Whoever suggested an ABS switch - good idea. Mechanical toggle switch please, not a software switch that follows its own rules.
I wonder if the drive-by-wire throttle comes with the Ford engine and/or was already developed for the G55, i.e. it's the most cost effective solution for the G60.
I wish Ginetta the best of luck with this car and the G40R. It brings some welcome variety to the new car market. And I like the badging.
I wish Ginetta the best of luck with this car and the G40R. It brings some welcome variety to the new car market. And I like the badging.
braddo said:
I wonder if the drive-by-wire throttle comes with the Ford engine and/or was already developed for the G55, i.e. it's the most cost effective solution for the G60.
I wish Ginetta the best of luck with this car and the G40R. It brings some welcome variety to the new car market. And I like the badging.
Exactly, I assumed that it is part of the engine and ECU package that is bought in.I wish Ginetta the best of luck with this car and the G40R. It brings some welcome variety to the new car market. And I like the badging.
DonkeyApple said:
Exactly, I assumed that it is part of the engine and ECU package that is bought in.
Shouldn't think there are that many modern off-the-shelf engines available to companies like Ginetta which aren't DBW by default - the days of cable throttles on mass produced motors must be nearing an end. They could re-engineer it themselves to be cable operated, but I'd have thought it would be easier to recalibrate it to behave as desired.Gassing Station | General Gassing | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff