RE: Nordschleife Pile-Up: The Aftermath
Discussion
iva cosworth said:
Slippery when wet.
Do they not posess a yellow/red flag or a safety car ?
It all seems to take too long to make it safe after a crash doesn't it?Do they not posess a yellow/red flag or a safety car ?
It's a special place that needs some unique safety features put in place, Some guy waving a flag just doesn't seem to work.
Edited by jamie g on Saturday 8th October 23:24
Sir_Dave said:
Seems the car that filmed the pile up (BMW) was having some fun before the incident ....
http://youtu.be/tEygx_dzOoI
Note, this video also contains upsetting levels of understeer.
I'm not defending him but there was also a round of the european drift championships on that weekend at the GP circuit and there were quite a few people out there drifting on the TF.http://youtu.be/tEygx_dzOoI
Note, this video also contains upsetting levels of understeer.
Edited by Sir_Dave on Thursday 6th October 15:59
Mr Whippy said:
A few signs that flash when something is going bad is all that is needed.
So some cameras to watch what is happening, a man watching the cameras, and then a button to make lights flash in the event of stopped cars.
Considering the lap cost and the user count, they are a bit cheap to offer NO warnings for drivers using the 'road' as a race track!
They probably prefer as many people to crash so they can charge them high rates for armco replacement and closed track time
Dave
There are a few amber lights that do flash when there is an incident on the track, one on the exit of brunchen i recall another a couple of corners later, BUT NOT ENOUGH OF THEM.So some cameras to watch what is happening, a man watching the cameras, and then a button to make lights flash in the event of stopped cars.
Considering the lap cost and the user count, they are a bit cheap to offer NO warnings for drivers using the 'road' as a race track!
They probably prefer as many people to crash so they can charge them high rates for armco replacement and closed track time
Dave
IF what i've read on another nurburgring forum is true, that it can take 150.000 euros on a busy day, and i was there last weekend, it WAS BUSY then it's about time they started spending some of that money on some form of early warning system, last weekend was not a one off, it's happened before.
When the TF is closed through an incident, the car parks start filling up quickly, the ques get bigger and bigger and then when it's opened again it's on mad rush to get out and be the first around the track, i for one never attempt to get out in that first 20 minutes or so as it's (mostly) complete bedlam, better to spectate but the trouble is if you do not get out in that first twenty mintes or so chances are there will be another incident and the road will be closed again, as happened regularly last weekend.
Some friends of mine went last weekend for the first time, three of them bought 4 lap tickets and between them managed only two laps with no chance of a refund it turned into an expensive and frightening weekend.
iva cosworth said:
Karl M3 CS said:
there is not one car out there that is not RACING
How ill informed are you ?Have you been there ?
Have you not seen family cars being driven around at max 60mph ?
Those are the few that i actually overtook in a cosworth.
I remember in one trip coming round a fast bend to find a jumbo lwd sprinter negotiating the chicane.
If you think everyone is racing, you are probably more likely to be in or cause an accident.
Edited by tastyturbo on Sunday 9th October 15:25
tastyturbo said:
Silver Smudger said:
tastyturbo said:
You will always pass someone in a faster car and likewise be passed by someone in a slower car....
How does that work then?
tters going like stink may occasionally pass you.I was recently driving through a 4km tunnel on Tokyo's KanPachi Dori listening to a local radio station. Lady Gaga was rudely interrupted by a commanding voice saying (in Japanese) "Slow down now. Accident has just occurred at the exit of the tunnel."
I did as I was told and almost instantly came across said accident. As I crawled past three cars that had had a small nose-tail-nose-tail knock I tried retuning the radio. Every major radio station had been overridden by the same very powerful, yet very local broadcast.
Brilliant system that should be applied to the M25, as well as the NS.
I did as I was told and almost instantly came across said accident. As I crawled past three cars that had had a small nose-tail-nose-tail knock I tried retuning the radio. Every major radio station had been overridden by the same very powerful, yet very local broadcast.
Brilliant system that should be applied to the M25, as well as the NS.
Miura Anjin said:
I was recently driving through a 4km tunnel on Tokyo's KanPachi Dori listening to a local radio station. Lady Gaga was rudely interrupted by a commanding voice saying (in Japanese) "Slow down now. Accident has just occurred at the exit of the tunnel."
I did as I was told and almost instantly came across said accident. As I crawled past three cars that had had a small nose-tail-nose-tail knock I tried retuning the radio. Every major radio station had been overridden by the same very powerful, yet very local broadcast.
Brilliant system that should be applied to the M25, as well as the NS.
Nice idea and I can see it working on some roads but the problem with the Ring would surely be that it is so small in contrast to the broadcast of any radio signal and so many sections that it would become useless as people found that the message didn't pertain to the area they were in and so began to ignore all messages.I did as I was told and almost instantly came across said accident. As I crawled past three cars that had had a small nose-tail-nose-tail knock I tried retuning the radio. Every major radio station had been overridden by the same very powerful, yet very local broadcast.
Brilliant system that should be applied to the M25, as well as the NS.
I think it is fair to say that users accept all the obvious risks of driving the Ring without complaint but that in this particular incident the maintenance workers made a woeful error in the placing of their initial road based warning sign and if that were to be redressed so that there was a two stage warning over a longer distance then the problem here would be solved instantly and without any cost or structural changes at all. Just an additional warning sign further down the track to manage peoples' expectations better.
jamie g said:
This is rediculous, not a TF day though.
ring
It is almost funny considering that is the slowest part of the track.ring
JonnyFive said:
It would be very difficult to say "There's an accident at Whipperman" over a radio or whatever, and for everyone to know where that is, imo.
Also who listens to the radio when they are on a hot lap?Miura Anjin said:
Tunnel story
...Brilliant system that should be applied to the M25, as well as the NS.
I'm sure I read somewhere that the Dartford Tunnel has this facility for emergency broadcasts....Brilliant system that should be applied to the M25, as well as the NS.
Could the 'ring have a dedicated radio station for this? Something that's silent unless there's an accident?
Edited by Alfa numeric on Tuesday 11th October 11:04
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