RE: Nordschleife Pile-Up: The Aftermath

RE: Nordschleife Pile-Up: The Aftermath

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DonkeyApple

55,391 posts

170 months

Tuesday 11th October 2011
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Alfa numeric said:
Miura Anjin said:
{i]Tunnel story[/i]

...Brilliant system that should be applied to the M25, as well as the NS.
I'm sure I read somewhere that the Dartford Tunnel has this facility for emergency broadcasts.


Could the 'ring have a dedicated radio station for this? Something that's silent unless there's an accident?
The other problem would be all the NIMBYs tuning in and recording the number of incidents. Not good.

daz3210

5,000 posts

241 months

Tuesday 11th October 2011
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Perhaps something 'Raceceiver' based that you can chose whether or not to use it then?

With the right application of technology you could have localised transmissions (e.g. bluetooth), make it so you can cheaply rent the radio system, and you have your own little private local area radio net.

And as for the NIMBY's, why worry about them? Good old Mark One Eyeballs are all they need to know if an accident has occurred.


tastyturbo

26 posts

224 months

Tuesday 11th October 2011
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Silver Smudger said:
tastyturbo said:
Silver Smudger said:
tastyturbo said:
You will always pass someone in a faster car and likewise be passed by someone in a slower car....
How does that work then?
wobble
I can only assume that you have never been?
Never have, but in most cases, I pass slower cars and faster cars pass me - How can you be passed by someone slower?
Because it's 20km long and there is a vast array of experience and lack of experience there. Some people with crap cars will be more daring than say your 'average' man with his daily audi rs4 financed up who doesn't want to risk stacking it or cooking his £000's worth of brakes etc etc.

You have guys used to doing track days with more car confidence than a chap on a lads weekend who happens to have a 'fast car' but doesn't do track days.

Some guys are well read up on the financial consequences of taking out you, your car, or another person and their car and the risks that go with it. These guys won't be flat out.

Other folk will go there, turn up and have no idea whatsoever of the consequences of an accident. It's not like the uk track days. These guys may be inclined to treat it like a friday night cruise and loon about.

etc etc - the list goes on.... and on.... and on.

I've been in a few different cars... but I'd never take one of my pride and joys and if I did I probably wouldn't be as ballsy as I am in my dedicated track car/ring toy. Hence it's long way to go (for me) to maybe just do a warm lap or 2 just to say I've done it in a certain car.


Either way..... if you go and you don't come back with ringworm, then you probably shouldn't have been there in the first place.


Hughesie

12,573 posts

283 months

Tuesday 11th October 2011
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F1 Style LED lighting systems coupled with GPS receivers.

Raise the Ring cost to cover a 1 lap rental of a GPS receiver attached to a car and track all the cars on the NS, when a few bunch up or stop, Yellow/RED lights warn approaching vehicles in time.

Simples.

Charge punters a few euro's for a print out of lap times - money making times smile

Zod

35,295 posts

259 months

Tuesday 11th October 2011
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Hughesie said:
Charge punters a few euro's for a print out of lap times - money making times smile
This would result in far more accidents.

daz3210

5,000 posts

241 months

Tuesday 11th October 2011
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Zod said:
This would result in far more accidents.
Deffo, but the point earlier in the post actually is a sensible one.

DonkeyApple

55,391 posts

170 months

Tuesday 11th October 2011
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Zod said:
Hughesie said:
Charge punters a few euro's for a print out of lap times - money making times smile
This would result in far more accidents.
Unless you used average times over several sections and the lower the time the more you were charged? biggrin

terenceb

1,488 posts

172 months

Wednesday 12th October 2011
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Best not put more money making ideas into the new managements tiny little minds!

B16JUS

2,385 posts

238 months

Wednesday 12th October 2011
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Silly doing work when its open when it could easily have been done out of hours.

Regarding radio in ring taxi ive been in them twice and both times they have had a motorola handheld radio in them maby only to communicate with the bmw office at the ring entrance but even so a message could have been passed on quickly.

groomi

9,317 posts

244 months

Wednesday 12th October 2011
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B16JUS said:
Silly doing work when its open when it could easily have been done out of hours.

Regarding radio in ring taxi ive been in them twice and both times they have had a motorola handheld radio in them maby only to communicate with the bmw office at the ring entrance but even so a message could have been passed on quickly.
The point is, as a business based at the 'Ring every day, they should have been made aware of the roadworks and the location beforehand.

We don't know whether that did or did not happen.

If they did know, then there is no excuse for barrelling into the area too fast to stop if required.

5lab

1,657 posts

197 months

Wednesday 12th October 2011
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groomi said:
B16JUS said:
Silly doing work when its open when it could easily have been done out of hours.

Regarding radio in ring taxi ive been in them twice and both times they have had a motorola handheld radio in them maby only to communicate with the bmw office at the ring entrance but even so a message could have been passed on quickly.
The point is, as a business based at the 'Ring every day, they should have been made aware of the roadworks and the location beforehand.

We don't know whether that did or did not happen.

If they did know, then there is no excuse for barrelling into the area too fast to stop if required.
maybe they should have taken it easy into roadworks, but for me the whole point of the ring taxi is that its driven on the edge by a pro. The definition of that entails that, at several points on the track, it will be going so fast as to be unable to stop within the distance visable. They could plod along within IAM parameters, but (for me) that'd completely negate the point of the experiance

groomi

9,317 posts

244 months

Wednesday 12th October 2011
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5lab said:
groomi said:
B16JUS said:
Silly doing work when its open when it could easily have been done out of hours.

Regarding radio in ring taxi ive been in them twice and both times they have had a motorola handheld radio in them maby only to communicate with the bmw office at the ring entrance but even so a message could have been passed on quickly.
The point is, as a business based at the 'Ring every day, they should have been made aware of the roadworks and the location beforehand.

We don't know whether that did or did not happen.

If they did know, then there is no excuse for barrelling into the area too fast to stop if required.
maybe they should have taken it easy into roadworks, but for me the whole point of the ring taxi is that its driven on the edge by a pro. The definition of that entails that, at several points on the track, it will be going so fast as to be unable to stop within the distance visable. They could plod along within IAM parameters, but (for me) that'd completely negate the point of the experiance
I was quite clearly only talking about the roadworks.

daz3210

5,000 posts

241 months

Wednesday 12th October 2011
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5lab said:
maybe they should have taken it easy into roadworks, but for me the whole point of the ring taxi is that its driven on the edge by a pro. The definition of that entails that, at several points on the track, it will be going so fast as to be unable to stop within the distance visable. They could plod along within IAM parameters, but (for me) that'd completely negate the point of the experiance
In other words you condone the Ring Taxi driving in a dangerous manner?

5lab

1,657 posts

197 months

Wednesday 12th October 2011
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daz3210 said:
5lab said:
maybe they should have taken it easy into roadworks, but for me the whole point of the ring taxi is that its driven on the edge by a pro. The definition of that entails that, at several points on the track, it will be going so fast as to be unable to stop within the distance visable. They could plod along within IAM parameters, but (for me) that'd completely negate the point of the experiance
In other words you condone the Ring Taxi driving in a dangerous manner?
I wouldn't call it dangerous. This is the only ring taxi accident I'm aware of in the last 5 years (I think an e39 m5 went off at one point??) given the number of laps that they do, I'd call that significantly safer than the average ring driver.

I'd call it managed risk, rather than dangerous. And yeah, I'm more than happy for ring taxis to drive like that..

groomi said:
I was quite clearly only talking about the roadworks.
sorry, wasn't a direct reply to your comment, more of a reply to comments saying the ring taxi should be driven better in general