RE: YKYWT... 1972 Ford Capri 'Perana'
Discussion
thewheelman said:
Much prefer this one, didn't even reach its £37k minimum at auction....
Oh, & this one is genuine.
http://www.silverstoneauctions.com/ford-capri-pera...
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HiOh, & this one is genuine.
http://www.silverstoneauctions.com/ford-capri-pera...
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I just want to put a few pennies worth on this thread. I think there's a couple of genuine mistakes here. I'll try to correct them - if I make any errors please advise.
Firstly, the orange car that went to auction (and did not sell) is not, as far as I know, a Basil Green Perana. The engine, axle, wheels, bodyshell and interior seem to have no Basil Green heritage. The shell is a 3 litre one, but as the two original race cars Z181 and A2 were built from 1600 body shells that rules out authenticity. I think this orange one is a Capri mk1 with a 5.0 litre engine. A quick one to boot but no South African DNA that I'm aware of. I met the owner /builder of this car at Nurburg in August 2010, I'm pretty sure he said it wasn't a South African car.
cheers Chris
ps I will address the A2 distinction on another post in this thread. I have no intention of starting a war of words - but I know some folk like to know these things.
666 SVT said:
radlet6 said:
666 SVT said:
Not a Perana but 240bhp and only 10k in the classifieds.
The only problem with this is the aftermarket spoiler and arches. Nice - that is if it's a genuine RS3100 and not a replica.
Still rather have the RS2600 though.
Addendum: I have just had a look and it's not, it is a replica - I had my suspicions with the body kit. I am also amazed at how much people think a standard Mk1 3 litre Capri is worth: £15k in today's market - I think not.
Trawling through the other ads there looked to be a very well sorted Mk 111 with a 5.7 litre chevy conversion for £7k. Now that's more like it.
If you don't think a Capri is worth 15k then I would steer clear of the Escort section !The only problem with this is the aftermarket spoiler and arches. Nice - that is if it's a genuine RS3100 and not a replica.
Still rather have the RS2600 though.
Addendum: I have just had a look and it's not, it is a replica - I had my suspicions with the body kit. I am also amazed at how much people think a standard Mk1 3 litre Capri is worth: £15k in today's market - I think not.
Trawling through the other ads there looked to be a very well sorted Mk 111 with a 5.7 litre chevy conversion for £7k. Now that's more like it.
Edited by radlet6 on Monday 10th October 18:21
£15k for an RS2000 - I mean come on they weren't that special. It was an Escort with a Cortina lump and a bit of fibreglass where the grille should be.
£7k for a 1300GT (cos they were really quick - and I sold my very nice TVR S3 for less than that) and £20k for what is supposedly an RS 1600, but in reality is a shell and a load of bits.
Let's see £20k for a box of bits or a very nice Lotus Elan. Tough one that one....not.
DBSV8 said:
Brocks Brookie said:
This ones not bad
original z181
The car pictured at Malvern is a Capri Gunston Perana A2 replica. The car is a South African import. 1600 GT body as per A2 original. The motor is a South African Ford 302 V8, the axle is a BG 2.92, the radiator is a BG one, the wheels were made in South Africa by WAW. The paint was produced by the paint factor that makes the Gunston Orange for the Z181, A2 and N201 Perana and collected from South Africa by me.
The car is not to be confused with Z181 - which as described quite accurately in this thread is miles apart from the A2 car. They were built to race in different series.
My A2 replica has been re-created with the approval of Basil Green and Ant Corrin from JoBurg and Cape Town. It is a millimetre exact replica of A2 which still races today. Z181 was retired last February by Peter Lindenberg who kept it going for many years.
Here's the spec on original A2:-
Team Gunston Capri Perana A2
This car was built to replace Z181 as Team Gunston's saloon car championship contender. In 1971 the South African saloon championship focus changed to the Production Car format which allowed far fewer changes from standard road going specification (effectively Group 2), which meant that the radically modified Z181 and the other Group 5 specification cars from 1970 could not compete in this series.
Although the Production Car regulations mandated that wheel flares could be no more than two inches greater on each side than the original bodywork, some innovative engineering saw the creation of special C shaped rear leaf springs that still allowed the fitting of wide rear wheels that nonetheless stayed inside the bodywork.
In 1972 the car went to Team Grosvenor where it was driven by Koos Swanepoel. After that the car went to Zimbabwe for many years. Nick Sheward brought the car back to South Africa in the early nineties and restored it back to Team Gunston livery.
Graham Rooke bought the car from Nick, but it spent less and less time on the track, seldom appearing in recent years.
Today the car is owned by Anthony Corin who races it at Killarney. (courtesy of www.Perana.org)
The replica above is owned by me, and took six years to build.
Here's a pic of my car and the original A2 -
Hope this clears a few facts up. If you want to see the two original cars and all their spec visit www.perana.org and look under Race Cars
cheers Chris
peranaman said:
"this is a replica of the Team Gunston Capri Perana Z181" Incorrect.
The car pictured at Malvern is a Capri Gunston Perana A2 replica. The car is a South African import. 1600 GT body as per A2 original. The motor is a South African Ford 302 V8, the axle is a BG 2.92, the radiator is a BG one, the wheels were made in South Africa by WAW. The paint was produced by the paint factor that makes the Gunston Orange for the Z181, A2 and N201 Perana and collected from South Africa by me.
The car is not to be confused with Z181 - which as described quite accurately in this thread is miles apart from the A2 car. They were built to race in different series.
My A2 replica has been re-created with the approval of Basil Green and Ant Corrin from JoBurg and Cape Town. It is a millimetre exact replica of A2 which still races today. Z181 was retired last February by Peter Lindenberg who kept it going for many years.
Here's the spec on original A2:-
Team Gunston Capri Perana A2
This car was built to replace Z181 as Team Gunston's saloon car championship contender. In 1971 the South African saloon championship focus changed to the Production Car format which allowed far fewer changes from standard road going specification (effectively Group 2), which meant that the radically modified Z181 and the other Group 5 specification cars from 1970 could not compete in this series.
Although the Production Car regulations mandated that wheel flares could be no more than two inches greater on each side than the original bodywork, some innovative engineering saw the creation of special C shaped rear leaf springs that still allowed the fitting of wide rear wheels that nonetheless stayed inside the bodywork.
In 1972 the car went to Team Grosvenor where it was driven by Koos Swanepoel. After that the car went to Zimbabwe for many years. Nick Sheward brought the car back to South Africa in the early nineties and restored it back to Team Gunston livery.
Graham Rooke bought the car from Nick, but it spent less and less time on the track, seldom appearing in recent years.
Today the car is owned by Anthony Corin who races it at Killarney. (courtesy of www.Perana.org)
The replica above is owned by me, and took six years to build.
Here's a pic of my car and the original A2 -
Hope this clears a few facts up. If you want to see the two original cars and all their spec visit www.perana.org and look under Race Cars
cheers Chris
Welcome to the Forum Chris , The car pictured at Malvern is a Capri Gunston Perana A2 replica. The car is a South African import. 1600 GT body as per A2 original. The motor is a South African Ford 302 V8, the axle is a BG 2.92, the radiator is a BG one, the wheels were made in South Africa by WAW. The paint was produced by the paint factor that makes the Gunston Orange for the Z181, A2 and N201 Perana and collected from South Africa by me.
The car is not to be confused with Z181 - which as described quite accurately in this thread is miles apart from the A2 car. They were built to race in different series.
My A2 replica has been re-created with the approval of Basil Green and Ant Corrin from JoBurg and Cape Town. It is a millimetre exact replica of A2 which still races today. Z181 was retired last February by Peter Lindenberg who kept it going for many years.
Here's the spec on original A2:-
Team Gunston Capri Perana A2
This car was built to replace Z181 as Team Gunston's saloon car championship contender. In 1971 the South African saloon championship focus changed to the Production Car format which allowed far fewer changes from standard road going specification (effectively Group 2), which meant that the radically modified Z181 and the other Group 5 specification cars from 1970 could not compete in this series.
Although the Production Car regulations mandated that wheel flares could be no more than two inches greater on each side than the original bodywork, some innovative engineering saw the creation of special C shaped rear leaf springs that still allowed the fitting of wide rear wheels that nonetheless stayed inside the bodywork.
In 1972 the car went to Team Grosvenor where it was driven by Koos Swanepoel. After that the car went to Zimbabwe for many years. Nick Sheward brought the car back to South Africa in the early nineties and restored it back to Team Gunston livery.
Graham Rooke bought the car from Nick, but it spent less and less time on the track, seldom appearing in recent years.
Today the car is owned by Anthony Corin who races it at Killarney. (courtesy of www.Perana.org)
The replica above is owned by me, and took six years to build.
Here's a pic of my car and the original A2 -
Hope this clears a few facts up. If you want to see the two original cars and all their spec visit www.perana.org and look under Race Cars
cheers Chris
and thanks for the correction , where are you based in the UK , thats a n excellent replica of A2
cheers
DBSV8 said:
Welcome to the Forum Chris ,
and thanks for the correction , where are you based in the UK , thats a n excellent replica of A2
cheers
Based in South Wales. Had a great day out with the Mustang Owners Club a few weeks ago. My car will be in Hall 4 at the NEC Classic Motor Show in November if anyone wants to pop along for a chat?and thanks for the correction , where are you based in the UK , thats a n excellent replica of A2
cheers
radlet6 said:
Just out of interest anyone know why they chose the 1600GT shell over the 3000?
Not sure. However South Africa only ever had the Capri mk1. They never had the face-lift to my knowledge. Ford SA stopped the production of Capri's in 1972 I believe.Basil Green built the 2 race cars from 1600 GT shells mainly because that's all they had at the time. Unlike most road / race derived cars - Basil Green did it back to front. They built, raced and won with the 2 race Capri's THEN started making the road going cars.
BG did a deal with Ford SA, whereby Ford deilivered the Capri 3.0 litre to BG Motors in Edenvale, complete with all running gear and 3 litre engines. The cars were VIN plated and tagged as BG cars at the Ford factory.
Basil then transplanted the 302 5.0 litre engine and 4 speed top-loader gearbox - voila! The Capri Perana was born.
The Perana Capri could be bought from a Ford dealership, just like a Sierra Cosworth could, fully warrnted by Ford. It really was a case of 'Win on Sunday, sell on Monday'
The reason BG did this? In 1968 South Africa introduced a Luxury Tax on motor cars. What was luxury? Well, anything from changing your carb, to changing air filters, skimming heads or whatever. It was a 35% tax at the end of the day.
Basil, a shrewd business man, decided that if Ford supplied him with a car that was already a 5.0 litre before it hit the roads - no luxury tax! He was right.
Upshot? You put a Weber carb on your Ford Escort - 35% tax.
You put a 5 litre Mustang engine in your Capri at factory stage- no tax. Result.Very smart move and a legend created.
Edited by peranaman on Wednesday 12th October 09:51
Big Daft Lad said:
Cheaper to buy maybe? I suppose they were going to throw the drive train away anyway!
Haha! Basil Green never threw anything away. He sold the 3 litre Ford engines and the axles. The cars already had the 4 speed top loader in.BG turned the 1600 RS Escort into a Perana by putting the Pinto 2 litre engine in. The BDA engines he sold off. The Escort Perana was just an RS1600 Escort with the engine and badge change. 5 Escort Peranas left out of 100 built. One sold last week in SA for £24500.
The 2.0 litre Pinto engines BG sourced from the Cortina that he turned into Peranas by putting a V6 in - long before Ford thought of such a thing.
BG wasted nothing - except the full record of how many Perana's he built. One can only muse over why that was...................
radlet6 said:
666 SVT said:
Not a Perana but 240bhp and only 10k in the classifieds.
The only problem with this is the aftermarket spoiler and arches. Nice - that is if it's a genuine RS3100 and not a replica.
Still rather have the RS2600 though.
Addendum: I have just had a look and it's not, it is a replica - I had my suspicions with the body kit. I am also amazed at how much people think a standard Mk1 3 litre Capri is worth: £15k in today's market - I think not.
Trawling through the other ads there looked to be a very well sorted Mk 111 with a 5.7 litre chevy conversion for £7k. Now that's more like it.
Was very tempted to have that before i bought my Evo , I've had the Evo two years now so that car has been for sale for a while The only problem with this is the aftermarket spoiler and arches. Nice - that is if it's a genuine RS3100 and not a replica.
Still rather have the RS2600 though.
Addendum: I have just had a look and it's not, it is a replica - I had my suspicions with the body kit. I am also amazed at how much people think a standard Mk1 3 litre Capri is worth: £15k in today's market - I think not.
Trawling through the other ads there looked to be a very well sorted Mk 111 with a 5.7 litre chevy conversion for £7k. Now that's more like it.
Edited by radlet6 on Monday 10th October 18:21
peranaman said:
radlet6 said:
If you're going to be real picky you'll probably find it hasn't got slick tyres either.
Slicks are illegal on the road - that's why you need DoT approved Race / Tarmac tyres. It's a 'road' car.Where's the Whoosh Parrot when you need it?
radlet6 said:
peranaman said:
radlet6 said:
If you're going to be real picky you'll probably find it hasn't got slick tyres either.
Slicks are illegal on the road - that's why you need DoT approved Race / Tarmac tyres. It's a 'road' car.Where's the Whoosh Parrot when you need it?
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