Junior Bertone appreciation thread

[dinkel]

dibblecorse said:

What a great thread ..... cheers guys, been in a bad mood all day, but who says machines can't create emotion, thanks for cheering me up a little ....

Now that's what PH is all about.

105 appr. topic: agreed . . . I am so ignorant.

Let's have some more:



Oopsy.


Architecture.

[AMcLean]

Great thread. If only I had a spare £60k I might let go of my current GTA for the one sitting on Ebay. Anyway came across this video via another site, nice video...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detail...

[treehack]

So much want in this thread. I will have nice dreams tonight

[AUDIHenry]

Hey guys, can someone explain to me the difference between the Junior (stepnose?) versions and the GTV1750/2000 versions? Obviously engine size and slight difference in frontal design is one thing, but how else are these different? The cars in this thread would be termed Junior Bertone or something else? (hope my questions make sense)

[RicksAlfas]

AUDIHenry said:

Hey guys, can someone explain to me the difference between the Junior (stepnose?) versions and the GTV1750/2000 versions? Obviously engine size and slight difference in frontal design is one thing, but how else are these different? The cars in this thread would be termed Junior Bertone or something else? (hope my questions make sense)

The thread title is a bit of a red herring.
All these cars are Type 105 GTs.

The first cars had the Stepnose which was replaced by the more conventional flat front of the 1750.
However Stepnose bodies continued for a while in tandem with smaller engines.
The term Junior is Alfa's terminology for the entry level version - often a 1300 with simpler interior trim.
Veloce was the more upmarket model - which led to the abbreviation "GTV". So technically the cars are GT Juniors and GT Veloces.
The rarest model was the GT Alleggerita or GTA which was a homologation model for racing.

Just to clarify - The Junior trim level was available both as a Stepfront and the later Flatfront, so having a Stepfront does not make it a Junior.

Some people also call them Bertone Coupes after the design house which styled them. (Pininfarina did the 105 Spider).

Edited by RicksAlfas on Tuesday 25th October 11:10

[braddo]

AUDIHenry said:

Hey guys, can someone explain to me the difference between the Junior (stepnose?) versions and the GTV1750/2000 versions? Obviously engine size and slight difference in frontal design is one thing, but how else are these different? The cars in this thread would be termed Junior Bertone or something else? (hope my questions make sense)

I'll try

All of these cars are the 105 series and were designed by Bertone. They also get called Giulia, although I don't know where that originates from, but 105/Giulia/Bertone can be used as generic descriptions for all these coupes.

The Junior is basically a trim level (cf. the GT Veloce/GTV) - more basic trim, smaller engines. So, there were stepfront Juniors and GTVs, as well as 'flatfront' Juniors and GTVs.

With the 1750/2000 GTVs you get more plush interiors and a LSD to go with the bigger engines but otherwise there's little difference with Juniors of the same age. Likewise, when you look at the stepfronts, the GTV has a 1600 engine and nicer interior when the Junior had a 1300.

There are age related differences like Dunlop brakes and I think non-hydraulic clutches on very early cars.

Hope this helps.

Edit: too slow!

[jamieandthemagic]

And just to confuse matters; A Step Front GT Junior is generally at the higher end of 105GT pricing, whereas a flat nose single headlight (like mine) tends to be at the lower end of the 105GT pricing.

[jamieandthemagic]

Lets have some more Giulia P0rn............ a rare one;

[jimmyjam]

I give you the gorgeous GTC.....

[dinkel]

More on the Junior:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alfa_Romeo_105/115_Se...

[AUDIHenry]

RicksAlfas said:

AUDIHenry said:

Hey guys, can someone explain to me the difference between the Junior (stepnose?) versions and the GTV1750/2000 versions? Obviously engine size and slight difference in frontal design is one thing, but how else are these different? The cars in this thread would be termed Junior Bertone or something else? (hope my questions make sense)

The thread title is a bit of a red herring.
All these cars are Type 105 GTs.

The first cars had the Stepnose which was replaced by the more conventional flat front of the 1750.
However Stepnose bodies continued for a while in tandem with smaller engines.
The term Junior is Alfa's terminology for the entry level version - often a 1300 with simpler interior trim.
Veloce was the more upmarket model - which led to the abbreviation "GTV". So technically the cars are GT Juniors and GT Veloces.
The rarest model was the GT Alleggerita or GTA which was a homologation model for racing.

Just to clarify - The Junior trim level was available both as a Stepfront and the later Flatfront, so having a Stepfront does not make it a Junior.

Some people also call them Bertone Coupes after the design house which styled them. (Pininfarina did the 105 Spider).

Edited by RicksAlfas on Tuesday 25th October 11:10

Thanks Rick, that makes it a bit clearer!

[AUDIHenry]

braddo said:

AUDIHenry said:

Hey guys, can someone explain to me the difference between the Junior (stepnose?) versions and the GTV1750/2000 versions? Obviously engine size and slight difference in frontal design is one thing, but how else are these different? The cars in this thread would be termed Junior Bertone or something else? (hope my questions make sense)

I'll try

All of these cars are the 105 series and were designed by Bertone. They also get called Giulia, although I don't know where that originates from, but 105/Giulia/Bertone can be used as generic descriptions for all these coupes.

The Junior is basically a trim level (cf. the GT Veloce/GTV) - more basic trim, smaller engines. So, there were stepfront Juniors and GTVs, as well as 'flatfront' Juniors and GTVs.

With the 1750/2000 GTVs you get more plush interiors and a LSD to go with the bigger engines but otherwise there's little difference with Juniors of the same age. Likewise, when you look at the stepfronts, the GTV has a 1600 engine and nicer interior when the Junior had a 1300.

There are age related differences like Dunlop brakes and I think non-hydraulic clutches on very early cars.

Hope this helps.

Edit: too slow!

Thanks!

[dinkel]

Spa6 2011:

Wright / Gans GTA, P79, 3:11 secs quickest lap.

[Kinky]

PH porn does not get better than this

[100 IAN]

The begining of a GTA replica...........

'69 Stepfront bought as a stalled restoration.

Bodyshell went to the bodyshop last week and necessary welding is due to commence shortly.

The plan is to build the car along similar lines to Alfaholic's GTA replicas.

[100 IAN]

Ooops, only 1x image appeared so here are a couple more.

[AV12]

Brilliant thread. I want a GTA...high quality PH appreciation!

[Baryonyx]

This is the Bertone for me...

[robsco]

Baryonyx said:

This is the Bertone for me...

What, over the Alfas? Philistine.

[jimmyjam]

Agree, no way over the GT's........... but what is that?