E92 335d vs 330d
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k15tox said:
It be very hard from a standstill with an open diff you at least need a lot of weight transfer to get the car to shift. I don't doubt you've had a open diff car sideways for a while but you have to be travelling at some speed.
Low speed there crap.
That's not true. I'm not talking about weight transfer dominated oversteer (which applies to FWD, 4WD and RWD cars!), I'm talking about pure good old power oversteer. It's actually common technique in Caterhams to get them round mini roundabouts in the wet Low speed there crap.
As I said above, it totally depends on how you drive the car. If you arrive at a T junction (on a private road, of course!), turn the wheel and nail the throttle like an animal then yes, all you'll get will be a spinning inside wheel. However, if you arrive at the same T junction, get the car moving, then get the rears close to the point of maximum grip (all within a second or so of course) and then give the throttle a quick jab then you will execute a huge lary tailslide. It's all down to how you drive the car. On your private road, of course 
Of course, all of this is easier with a limited slip diff, but without one all of this is still possible.
Check out this respectable gentleman on his own private roundabout: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M9k_12EAW54 That's an E46 323i with a standard open diff, and the speed looks like about 15mph, which is very slow for any noticeable weight transfer effects to take place.
Edited by RobM77 on Thursday 20th October 20:12
RobM77 said:
That's not true. I'm not talking about weight transfer dominated oversteer (which applies to FWD, 4WD and RWD cars!), I'm talking about pure good old power oversteer. It's actually common technique in Caterhams to get them round mini roundabouts in the wet As I said above, it totally depends on how you drive the car. If you arrive at a T junction (on a private road, of course!), turn the wheel and nail the throttle like an animal then yes, all you'll get will be a spinning inside wheel. However, if you arrive at the same T junction, get the car moving, then get the rears close to the point of maximum grip (all within a second or so of course) and then give the throttle a quick jab then you will execute a huge lary tailslide. It's all down to how you drive the car. On your private road, of course
Of course, all of this is easier with a limited slip diff, but without one all of this is still possible.
Check out this respectable gentleman on his own private roundabout: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M9k_12EAW54 That's an E46 323i with a standard open diff, and the speed looks like about 15mph, which is very slow for any noticeable weight transfer effects to take place.
I stand corrected. As I said above, it totally depends on how you drive the car. If you arrive at a T junction (on a private road, of course!), turn the wheel and nail the throttle like an animal then yes, all you'll get will be a spinning inside wheel. However, if you arrive at the same T junction, get the car moving, then get the rears close to the point of maximum grip (all within a second or so of course) and then give the throttle a quick jab then you will execute a huge lary tailslide. It's all down to how you drive the car. On your private road, of course Of course, all of this is easier with a limited slip diff, but without one all of this is still possible.
Check out this respectable gentleman on his own private roundabout: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M9k_12EAW54 That's an E46 323i with a standard open diff, and the speed looks like about 15mph, which is very slow for any noticeable weight transfer effects to take place.
Edited by RobM77 on Thursday 20th October 20:12
I used to own a trampdrift 340 before I welded the diff it was crap. Although the lack of power didn't help.
I'm probably judging my experiences off that
I'm getting 34mpg average on my 335d, that's over 20k. All depends how and where you drive, on a motorway cruising at 80 the car will quite happily sit north of 40mpg. You can drive pretty economically if you have a light right foot.
Can't compare to the 3.0 as I haven't driven the variable turbo. For me I liked the sequential turbos as it felt like a broader power band to me, handling wise I like the car but you can feel youve a heavy engine upfront (I came from a Cayman S). I've a coupe sport on 19's.
All in all I would say the car is almost the perfect 'everything' car. Economical when you want, relatively quick when you want and fairly chuck able. Nice interior as well. I would echo getting the newer hard drive nav, makes a big difference.
Can't compare to the 3.0 as I haven't driven the variable turbo. For me I liked the sequential turbos as it felt like a broader power band to me, handling wise I like the car but you can feel youve a heavy engine upfront (I came from a Cayman S). I've a coupe sport on 19's.
All in all I would say the car is almost the perfect 'everything' car. Economical when you want, relatively quick when you want and fairly chuck able. Nice interior as well. I would echo getting the newer hard drive nav, makes a big difference.
I'm not sure which garages you buy your fuel at but generally diesel is £1.379 per ltr and petrol £1.339 per ltr which means that diesel is 3% more expensive.
If diesel were 5% more expensive than petrol at 1.339 then diesel would cost £1.409.
So if a diesel does 40mpg then a petrol would need to do 38.8mpg.
As for buying a 330d or 335d and is it worth £3k more? Well only you can answer that. Try then both and make the call.
In the real world the difference up to 100mph is a couple of seconds in it. Not really much is it.
The bigger difference would be the sequential smaller turbo ie less lag.
I've driven both the 335d and I own a 330d. The 335d feels a touch faster as it would from 40 bhp more but the opportunity to use that extra performance are few and far between plus the 330d is an a and b road overtaking tool in it's own right.
I don't think you will be disappointed with either choice.
As for mapping well the 330d can go up to 290/305bhp while the 335d can go up to 330-340bhp. If that's your thing. Again both of those bhp numbers are a very fast vehicle and it's doubtful you'd really notice the difference on the road.
To put it another way if I had my 330d ahead of a 335d and we were both driving hard the 335d wouldn't be able to overtake as the performance gap isn't enough. Likewise the 330d wouldn't fall too far behind when following a 335d.
Great handling cars low centre of gravity and 50:50 weight distribution and lots of low down torque make these cars real weapons on the road.
If diesel were 5% more expensive than petrol at 1.339 then diesel would cost £1.409.
So if a diesel does 40mpg then a petrol would need to do 38.8mpg.
As for buying a 330d or 335d and is it worth £3k more? Well only you can answer that. Try then both and make the call.
In the real world the difference up to 100mph is a couple of seconds in it. Not really much is it.
The bigger difference would be the sequential smaller turbo ie less lag.
I've driven both the 335d and I own a 330d. The 335d feels a touch faster as it would from 40 bhp more but the opportunity to use that extra performance are few and far between plus the 330d is an a and b road overtaking tool in it's own right.
I don't think you will be disappointed with either choice.
As for mapping well the 330d can go up to 290/305bhp while the 335d can go up to 330-340bhp. If that's your thing. Again both of those bhp numbers are a very fast vehicle and it's doubtful you'd really notice the difference on the road.
To put it another way if I had my 330d ahead of a 335d and we were both driving hard the 335d wouldn't be able to overtake as the performance gap isn't enough. Likewise the 330d wouldn't fall too far behind when following a 335d.
Great handling cars low centre of gravity and 50:50 weight distribution and lots of low down torque make these cars real weapons on the road.
Having had some mates who love the big BMW stuff, ive driven most of these 330d, 335d, 335i, 535d - as an overall car the 535d m sport was the winner for me, but between the two your looking at i would be going for the 335d great overall car for me i think if i was ready to get rid of my 3 mps then this wouldn't be a million miles away from my choice
jonah35 said:
how about a 320d which does 69mpg and is quick enough.
trouble is nowadays even a 318i will do well over a ton quickly on the motorways - what is the point in performance, you will still be doing 70ish mpg
cheaper to insure, cheaper to fuel, cheaper to tax, cheaper to buy.
I understand what you're saying, but I just know that if I got a 320d I'd always be yearning after the 335x trouble is nowadays even a 318i will do well over a ton quickly on the motorways - what is the point in performance, you will still be doing 70ish mpg
cheaper to insure, cheaper to fuel, cheaper to tax, cheaper to buy.
I test drove a 335i yesterday and it was brilliant. Perfect in every way, the dealer even did me a great deal part-ex. I went home to contemplate and someone else bought it that day. FFS.
So now I'm going to view this 335d.
Neither leave a lasting impression,the 330d seems a more measured package in manual form than the 335d.The novelty of that car wears off soo quickly.
My choice would be the 320si,the 4 pots steer so sweetly,have better handling than the above and probably similar on fuel.
Just a thought..
My choice would be the 320si,the 4 pots steer so sweetly,have better handling than the above and probably similar on fuel.
Just a thought..
Welshbeef said:
I'm not sure which garages you buy your fuel at but generally diesel is £1.379 per ltr and petrol £1.339 per ltr which means that diesel is 3% more expensive.
If diesel were 5% more expensive than petrol at 1.339 then diesel would cost £1.409.
This does vary. It's about 4% round here. I agree with your post though.If diesel were 5% more expensive than petrol at 1.339 then diesel would cost £1.409.
I've had both a 330d and I'm currently on my 2nd 335d, all been tourers though
What I found with my 330d was it had plenty of low end grunt but was noticeably slower top end than my previous 335d mpg wise the 330d was marginally better than the 335d but not THAT much better 2mpg springs to mind. This was a Pre LCI 231bhp auto
335d for me is possibly the best all round car I've owned, I regretted selling my first one and thought the 330d would suffice, as it happened it didn't, and I needed to sell it as my OH was off work, when looking for a new car In may, I knew a 335d tourer was the only thing I wanted, it's quicker than my E46 M3 was, better on fuel, not near as expensive to maintain, practical and the OH likes it too.
Oh and there's the tailpipes, that alone makes a 335d worth the extra over a 330d
What I found with my 330d was it had plenty of low end grunt but was noticeably slower top end than my previous 335d mpg wise the 330d was marginally better than the 335d but not THAT much better 2mpg springs to mind. This was a Pre LCI 231bhp auto
335d for me is possibly the best all round car I've owned, I regretted selling my first one and thought the 330d would suffice, as it happened it didn't, and I needed to sell it as my OH was off work, when looking for a new car In may, I knew a 335d tourer was the only thing I wanted, it's quicker than my E46 M3 was, better on fuel, not near as expensive to maintain, practical and the OH likes it too.
Oh and there's the tailpipes, that alone makes a 335d worth the extra over a 330d
edo said:
BMW warranty would be a priority for me.
If you look on the BMW site, there are actually not that many cars with sensible mileage under 20k. (330d and 335d coupe)
Thats because they are built & bought to do big miles on the motorway! Everyone still has a massive hang up about cars with over 100k on them, I would rarther buy a high milage well looked after car than one that has spent it's life sat in traffic doing short start stops, lots of cold cycles etc..If you look on the BMW site, there are actually not that many cars with sensible mileage under 20k. (330d and 335d coupe)
martin mrt said:
I've had both a 330d and I'm currently on my 2nd 335d, all been tourers though
What I found with my 330d was it had plenty of low end grunt but was noticeably slower top end than my previous 335d mpg wise the 330d was marginally better than the 335d but not THAT much better 2mpg springs to mind. This was a Pre LCI 231bhp auto
335d for me is possibly the best all round car I've owned, I regretted selling my first one and thought the 330d would suffice, as it happened it didn't, and I needed to sell it as my OH was off work, when looking for a new car In may, I knew a 335d tourer was the only thing I wanted, it's quicker than my E46 M3 was, better on fuel, not near as expensive to maintain, practical and the OH likes it too.
Oh and there's the tailpipes, that alone makes a 335d worth the extra over a 330d
In general driving maybe.What I found with my 330d was it had plenty of low end grunt but was noticeably slower top end than my previous 335d mpg wise the 330d was marginally better than the 335d but not THAT much better 2mpg springs to mind. This was a Pre LCI 231bhp auto
335d for me is possibly the best all round car I've owned, I regretted selling my first one and thought the 330d would suffice, as it happened it didn't, and I needed to sell it as my OH was off work, when looking for a new car In may, I knew a 335d tourer was the only thing I wanted, it's quicker than my E46 M3 was, better on fuel, not near as expensive to maintain, practical and the OH likes it too.
Oh and there's the tailpipes, that alone makes a 335d worth the extra over a 330d
Well, the 335D I drove yesterday was a brilliant drive. It only had 7 miles of fuel left 
so I couldn't really stretch it's legs, but from the short trip I took in it I was well impressed. That particular car wasn't the one for me, but I'm pretty sure I want a D over an I.
The search continues!
so I couldn't really stretch it's legs, but from the short trip I took in it I was well impressed. That particular car wasn't the one for me, but I'm pretty sure I want a D over an I.The search continues!
stuart-b said:
I managed to get ~12/13mpg from a Z4 35si in Germany, which I think is the same engine has the 335i (3.0 twin turbo), I'm not sure you could do that with the diesel?
Great engine though.
No doubt it's a great engine, but I think it would suit a manual gearbox better. I want an auto really, and the diesel is perfect with that gearbox. Plus the increased MPG of course. Great engine though.
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