RE: Spotted: Porsche 959... delivery miles only
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[quote=thewheelman]
This one has factory miles only, it's the last ever 959 to be made, & costs a lot less than the price you mention, i hope the buyer hasn't seen this advert http://www.jameslist.com/advert/333846/for-sale-po...
I’d say that. Firstly, there is no real evidence that the car was sold for £750.000. And secondly the 959 you refer to in the advert is a Comfort version of which 200 were built as opposed to only 8 sport versions (which do the 0-60 dash in 3.6 seconds as opposed to the Comforts 4.2
There is also the fact that the US 959 would have had 369 components changed by Canepa to make it compliant for the intended market (which hardly makes it original) and do Porsche really put over 500km’s on a car as delivery miles?
This one has factory miles only, it's the last ever 959 to be made, & costs a lot less than the price you mention, i hope the buyer hasn't seen this advert http://www.jameslist.com/advert/333846/for-sale-po...
I’d say that. Firstly, there is no real evidence that the car was sold for £750.000. And secondly the 959 you refer to in the advert is a Comfort version of which 200 were built as opposed to only 8 sport versions (which do the 0-60 dash in 3.6 seconds as opposed to the Comforts 4.2
There is also the fact that the US 959 would have had 369 components changed by Canepa to make it compliant for the intended market (which hardly makes it original) and do Porsche really put over 500km’s on a car as delivery miles?
Edited by richard300 on Thursday 20th October 17:00
I have tried to find more info on the sport version, but to no avail. As far as I can learn from the article, there is no passenger door mirror, the roll cage and what looks like a full harness for the driver, I imagine (knowing Porsche) there were other tweaks as well, anyone have any additional info please?
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I read they were some ECU tweaks that upped the fueling and boost a tiny amount, but gave it closer to 500bhp and an est top speed of 205mph, but Porsche have never (to my knowledge) published anything specific.. i guess someone lucky enough to own one will know..
also there loads of misleading stats around, some sources say a comfort 959 does 0-60 in 3.9, others say 4.2, and on the F40 some say 3.8 some say 4.1? guess none of it is 100 % reliable!?
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I read they were some ECU tweaks that upped the fueling and boost a tiny amount, but gave it closer to 500bhp and an est top speed of 205mph, but Porsche have never (to my knowledge) published anything specific.. i guess someone lucky enough to own one will know..
also there loads of misleading stats around, some sources say a comfort 959 does 0-60 in 3.9, others say 4.2, and on the F40 some say 3.8 some say 4.1? guess none of it is 100 % reliable!?
According the performance tests by Auto Motor und Sport (issue 12/87), the Porsche 959 sport accelerates from a standstill to 100km/h in 3.7s and to 200km/ in 13 seconds. The top speed of 317km/h was clocked on VW test circuit Ehra Lessien.
Both performance numbers marked a new world record for production cars.
In the “Sport” version the variable ride height and damping and all the luxury items like air-conditioning, power windows, central locking, the rear seats and even passenger side mirror were deleted. The electric leather seats were replaced by manually-adjustable cloth sports seats.
I was always lead to beleive that 200 Comforts (Komfort) were built and 8 Sports,
but I have also heard that 288 cars were built in total with as many as 29 being sport models, but a really interesting footnote is that 'allegadly' In 1993, Porsche built 8 more cars using their spare parts from the Zuffenhausen inventory and additionally equipping them with a speed-sensitive damper system??
Both performance numbers marked a new world record for production cars.
In the “Sport” version the variable ride height and damping and all the luxury items like air-conditioning, power windows, central locking, the rear seats and even passenger side mirror were deleted. The electric leather seats were replaced by manually-adjustable cloth sports seats.
I was always lead to beleive that 200 Comforts (Komfort) were built and 8 Sports,
but I have also heard that 288 cars were built in total with as many as 29 being sport models, but a really interesting footnote is that 'allegadly' In 1993, Porsche built 8 more cars using their spare parts from the Zuffenhausen inventory and additionally equipping them with a speed-sensitive damper system??
richard300 said:
thewheelman said:
This one has factory miles only, it's the last ever 959 to be made, & costs a lot less than the price you mention, i hope the buyer hasn't seen this advert http://www.jameslist.com/advert/333846/for-sale-po...
I’d say that. Firstly, there is no real evidence that the car was sold for £750.000. And secondly the 959 you refer to in the advert is a Comfort version of which 200 were built as opposed to only 8 sport versions (which do the 0-60 dash in 3.6 seconds as opposed to the Comforts 4.2
There is also the fact that the US 959 would have had 369 components changed by Canepa to make it compliant for the intended market (which hardly makes it original) and do Porsche really put over 500km’s on a car as delivery miles?
Not the case http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Porsche_959 ,as stated, many U.S. owners refused to alter their cars.I’d say that. Firstly, there is no real evidence that the car was sold for £750.000. And secondly the 959 you refer to in the advert is a Comfort version of which 200 were built as opposed to only 8 sport versions (which do the 0-60 dash in 3.6 seconds as opposed to the Comforts 4.2
There is also the fact that the US 959 would have had 369 components changed by Canepa to make it compliant for the intended market (which hardly makes it original) and do Porsche really put over 500km’s on a car as delivery miles?
Edited by richard300 on Thursday 20th October 17:00
richard300 said:
According the performance tests by Auto Motor und Sport (issue 12/87), the Porsche 959 sport accelerates from a standstill to 100km/h in 3.7s and to 200km/ in 13 seconds. The top speed of 317km/h was clocked on VW test circuit Ehra Lessien.
Both performance numbers marked a new world record for production cars.
In the “Sport” version the variable ride height and damping and all the luxury items like air-conditioning, power windows, central locking, the rear seats and even passenger side mirror were deleted. The electric leather seats were replaced by manually-adjustable cloth sports seats.
I was always lead to beleive that 200 Comforts (Komfort) were built and 8 Sports,
but I have also heard that 288 cars were built in total with as many as 29 being sport models, but a really interesting footnote is that 'allegadly' In 1993, Porsche built 8 more cars using their spare parts from the Zuffenhausen inventory and additionally equipping them with a speed-sensitive damper system??
The street version of the 959 debuted at the 1985 Frankfurt Motor Show as a 1986 model, but numerous issues delayed production by more than a year. The car was manufactured in two levels of trim, "Sport" and "Komfort", corresponding to the race version and the street version. First customer deliveries of the 959 street variant began in 1987, and the car debuted at a cost of $225,000 USD per unit, still less than half what it cost Porsche to build each one. Production ended in 1988. In total, 337 cars were built, including 37 prototypes and preproduction models.[1] At least one 959 and one 961 remain in the Porsche historic hall in Stuttgart, Germany.Both performance numbers marked a new world record for production cars.
In the “Sport” version the variable ride height and damping and all the luxury items like air-conditioning, power windows, central locking, the rear seats and even passenger side mirror were deleted. The electric leather seats were replaced by manually-adjustable cloth sports seats.
I was always lead to beleive that 200 Comforts (Komfort) were built and 8 Sports,
but I have also heard that 288 cars were built in total with as many as 29 being sport models, but a really interesting footnote is that 'allegadly' In 1993, Porsche built 8 more cars using their spare parts from the Zuffenhausen inventory and additionally equipping them with a speed-sensitive damper system??
In 1992/1993, Porsche built eight 959s assembled from spare parts from the inventory at the manufacturing site in Zuffenhausen.[1] All eight were "Komfort"-versions: four in red and four in silver. These cars were much more expensive (DM 747,500) than the earlier ones (DM 420,000). The later cars also featured a newly developed speed-sensitive damper system. The cars were sold to selected collectors after being driven by works personnel for some time[1] and are today by far the most sought-after 959s.
The F40's light weight of 1,100 kg (2,425 lb) and high power output of 478 PS (352 kW; 471 hp) at 7000 rpm gave the vehicle tremendous performance potential. Road tests have produced 0–100 km/h (0–62 mph) times as low as 3.8 seconds (while the track only version came in at 3.2 seconds), with 0–160 km/h (0–99 mph) in 7.6 seconds and 0–200 km/h (0–120 mph) in 11 seconds giving the F40 a slight advantage in acceleration over the Porsche 959, its primary competitor at the time.
The F40 was the first road legal production car to break the 200 mph (320 km/h) barrier. From its introduction in 1987 until 1989 its only competitors were the Porsche 959 and the 1988 Lamborghini Countach[citation needed] (it was later overtaken by the Lamborghini Diablo[2]), it held the record as the world's fastest production car, with a top speed of 200 mph (320 km/h). During the 2006 Bonneville Speed Week, Amir Rosenbaum of Spectre Performance managed to take his F40 with small boost and air intake modifications to 226 miles per hour (364 km/h).[3
Edited by thewheelman on Thursday 20th October 17:26
I guess if i were the new owner i'd want to start using the car. not just because it really should be driven, but because, i'd like to avoid this....
"959: costly if not used enough
Cars in general tend to command more money if they have done a low mileage. The problem is that cars that are not driven tend to throw up mechanical problems, and this is particularly true of the 959.
Anthony Maclean tries to use his example as much as possible, driving it from Geneva to the factory at Stuttgart for its annual service. ‘The technician at the factory usually has a few 959s in needing work because they do not get driven enough,’ says Maclean.
This is borne out by John Manning, operations manager at Porsche Cars GB. Manning was one of two British technicians factory trained to look after the 959. ‘When the cars stand around, the seals in the drive pump for the four-wheel-drive system can stick inside the cylinder, which causes leakage, which then sets off the warning systems and cuts the drive. The parts alone for this job are over £6000.
‘There is a lot of magnesium in the engine and if electrolysis occurs it can cause things like cam covers to be eaten away. Parts are expensive but Porsches are very well engineered, so if a 959 is used often it should only need an annual inspection service, which will cost around £2000"
"959: costly if not used enough
Cars in general tend to command more money if they have done a low mileage. The problem is that cars that are not driven tend to throw up mechanical problems, and this is particularly true of the 959.
Anthony Maclean tries to use his example as much as possible, driving it from Geneva to the factory at Stuttgart for its annual service. ‘The technician at the factory usually has a few 959s in needing work because they do not get driven enough,’ says Maclean.
This is borne out by John Manning, operations manager at Porsche Cars GB. Manning was one of two British technicians factory trained to look after the 959. ‘When the cars stand around, the seals in the drive pump for the four-wheel-drive system can stick inside the cylinder, which causes leakage, which then sets off the warning systems and cuts the drive. The parts alone for this job are over £6000.
‘There is a lot of magnesium in the engine and if electrolysis occurs it can cause things like cam covers to be eaten away. Parts are expensive but Porsches are very well engineered, so if a 959 is used often it should only need an annual inspection service, which will cost around £2000"
mikEsprit said:
ZesPak said:
As much as I hate to say this, I wouldn't drive it 
. Imho it's too special, especially with delivery miles.
I agree and I don't want to.. Imho it's too special, especially with delivery miles.
I saw a small gaggle of them (959's) at this weekends Rennsport Reunion in Monterey. I never much thought of it as a looker, but have undying respect for the amount of engineering that went in to building such a beast. Re the drive versus let sit argument, I am always torqued by all of the people in the states who utter the famous, 'Drive it like you stole it'. There's never a car that a certain crowd won't say to drive hard were it to be in their hands. Not surprisingly of course, they rarely are in their hands.
I for one would let this rest as a museum piece. Likely anyone buying it is surrounded by equivalently exciting streetable iron (for all we know, he/she may have another 959 or so). A monument to excellent engineering that happens to look like a famous car is fine with me.
I for one would let this rest as a museum piece. Likely anyone buying it is surrounded by equivalently exciting streetable iron (for all we know, he/she may have another 959 or so). A monument to excellent engineering that happens to look like a famous car is fine with me.
Edited by Verde on Thursday 20th October 18:06
I don't believe this is a common problem. The issue with the XJ was that it was a British car. Also reported was that the valve springs suffered IF the car was used as well 
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robinessex said:
I always wonder if engines/grearboxes/transmissions suffer if they don't work as intended frequently. I heard a story that XJ220 engines sufferd vlave spring problems if the engines were left in one position for a long period of time.
Edited by Verde on Thursday 20th October 18:07
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