RE: 2012 GT-R To Shave 8 Secs From 'Ring Lap-Time?

[Guvernator]

Dion20vt said:

Want.... But then... my fave GT-R would be the R34 V-spec in bayside blue please Dont see many of them anymore... well, not up here anyway!!

Oh how I miss mine sometimes, still to be bettered IMO and yes I do include the R35 in that too.

[PhillipM]

More weight on each corner = less grip, not more, contrary to what many seem to think.

[CoupeCrazy]

LooneyTunes said:

If it were my money and I wanted to make progress on road and track: E60 M5 + Caterham R500

Sure, you can track a GT-R but the costs of doing so are apparently eye watering. And having been in both GT-R and fast 7s, I know which I'd find more satisfying on track... electronics would just take the edge off the whole thing.

Satistifaction is just something to do with ego.

Getting the job done, without resorting to having two cars is something the GTR does very well.

[glm1977]

ZeeTacoe said:

N4 FTW said:

scorcher said:

Instead of throwing more power at it ,I reckon it would be a better car if they put it on a diet and shaved about 300kgs off of it.

True, but in the interview the designer specifically said that the car weighed as much as it did to give 400(ish) KG of weight over each wheel as there was no way he could get a road car to generate 400kg per wheel of down force to give the grip level he wanted.

He drew an analogy between an F1 car only weighing 500KG but having several times that weight pushing down on the tyres through down force to give it grip in high speed corners.

But I do agree, light weight would be my preference! Let's see how the Juke-R does when it steps onto the scales...

bks. If it weighed less then it wouldn't need as much grip from each corner. If that was true then an overloaded white can would be the fastest thing of ever.

to be fair - N4 is correct - that is exactly what was said.

but the appreciation for vehicle dynamics really is needed here before more white van comments are made.

[davidcharles]

..doesn't really need any more power or less weight...0-60 in 3.5 ish secs , 0-100 in under 9secs and 190mph+ is fast enough for anyone..

...a low mileage, dark grey, black edition would get my wallet out..!!

[LooneyTunes]

CoupeCrazy said:

LooneyTunes said:

If it were my money and I wanted to make progress on road and track: E60 M5 + Caterham R500

Sure, you can track a GT-R but the costs of doing so are apparently eye watering. And having been in both GT-R and fast 7s, I know which I'd find more satisfying on track... electronics would just take the edge off the whole thing.

Satistifaction is just something to do with ego.

Getting the job done, without resorting to having two cars is something the GTR does very well.

Fine if you're a child of the video game generation: nail the gas and let the system sort out the mess you've created. There are, however, a few of us left out there who like a little more involvement beyond just choosing the lines.

I'd also argue that it doesn't get the job done if you have any real-world cost constraints.

[Dagnut]

LooneyTunes said:

If it were my money and I wanted to make progress on road and track: E60 M5 + Caterham R500

Sure, you can track a GT-R but the costs of doing so are apparently eye watering. And having been in both GT-R and fast 7s, I know which I'd find more satisfying on track... electronics would just take the edge off the whole thing.

It's not track car but is it? Its a coupe...you could make the same comparison with any of its rivals..M3, 911, RS5...and for starters a new M5 will set you back 73k before options... pointless comparing second hand values of a car you can't even buy any more.
I understand what you saying but you can only compare a car against it's peers other wise it's completely pointless...

[Guvernator]

glm1977 said:

ZeeTacoe said:

N4 FTW said:

scorcher said:

Instead of throwing more power at it ,I reckon it would be a better car if they put it on a diet and shaved about 300kgs off of it.

True, but in the interview the designer specifically said that the car weighed as much as it did to give 400(ish) KG of weight over each wheel as there was no way he could get a road car to generate 400kg per wheel of down force to give the grip level he wanted.

He drew an analogy between an F1 car only weighing 500KG but having several times that weight pushing down on the tyres through down force to give it grip in high speed corners.

But I do agree, light weight would be my preference! Let's see how the Juke-R does when it steps onto the scales...

bks. If it weighed less then it wouldn't need as much grip from each corner. If that was true then an overloaded white can would be the fastest thing of ever.

to be fair - N4 is correct - that is exactly what was said.

but the appreciation for vehicle dynamics really is needed here before more white van comments are made.

To be honest I've always taken this as nothing more than marketing BS too. The whole world and his dog know that less weight is better than more weight. For him to make a statement like that is contrary to all established car dynamics theory. Judging by that, F1 cars should all weigh 3 tonnes as they would go around corners quicker. I really can't believe someone of his standing would make a statement like that and expect it to be taken seriously but some people obviously fell for it. The GTR is a quick car despite it's relatively heavy weight, not because of it.

[CoupeCrazy]

PhillipM said:

More weight on each corner = less grip, not more, contrary to what many seem to think.

Wildly inaccurate and dangerious statement to make.

[LooneyTunes]

Dagnut said:

It's not track car but is it? Its a coupe...you could make the same comparison with any of its rivals..M3, 911, RS5...and for starters a new M5 will set you back 73k before options... pointless comparing second hand values of a car you can't even buy any more.
I understand what you saying but you can only compare a car against it's peers other wise it's completely pointless...

The question you posed was "What's better for 70k". If I had 70k to spend, and wanted fast road and track use then I'd do what I suggested with no hesitation. Our points of view may differ, but both are equally valid!

[Porkie]

LooneyTunes said:

Dagnut said:

Luca Brasi said:

Nope

What's better for 70k?

If it were my money and I wanted to make progress on road and track: E60 M5 + Caterham R500

Sure, you can track a GT-R but the costs of doing so are apparently eye watering. And having been in both GT-R and fast 7s, I know which I'd find more satisfying on track...

+1


Nicely put



I do think I will have a GTR at soon point though. had a 32, 33 and 34GTR's... said I wouldn't ever have another as they were such a pain in the ass. But the new one does seem so so special....

Brute of a car. Love it.

Edited by Porkie on Wednesday 26th October 16:30

[Dagnut]

LooneyTunes said:

The question you posed "What's better for 70k". If I had 70k to spend, and wanted fast road and track use then I'd do what I suggested with no hesitation. Our points of view may differ, but both are equally valid!

They don't actually differ I wouldn't spend 70k on one either but I'm not comparing it with a second hand saloon and a track car. If I had 70k and only one car to spend it on the GTR blows the rest into the weeds

[ploz]

"The GT-R is a two door coupe with a very big boot. Use your journalistic skill to imagine what might be next."

Fantastic - I'm saving for the Shooting Break version already!

[TinyCappo]

Mizuno San "The GT-R is a two door coupe with a very big boot. Use your journalistic skill to imagine what might be next"

it already been out once this week but I feel its justified again

[RobCrezz]

LooneyTunes said:

Fine if you're a child of the video game generation: nail the gas and let the system sort out the mess you've created. There are, however, a few of us left out there who like a little more involvement beyond just choosing the lines.

I'd also argue that it doesn't get the job done if you have any real-world cost constraints.

Have you driven one? I have read many reviews of magazines and owners that say disagree regarding the "nail the gas and let the system sort the mess out".

[CoupeCrazy]

LooneyTunes said:

Fine if you're a child of the video game generation: nail the gas and let the system sort out the mess you've created. There are, however, a few of us left out there who like a little more involvement beyond just choosing the lines.

I'd also argue that it doesn't get the job done if you have any real-world cost constraints.

And what generation are you a child off? The pompous 1960's era of rich moustached men counter steering cross-ply tired cars with f'all traction?

If you want to resort to silly stereotypes, then all you have done is undermine any argument you have.

The "system" you mention doesnt sort anything out, what is does is doubles the possible amount of power for corner exit acceleration, where you are counter steering and feathering the throttle to prevent your BMW from oversteering, the GTR acclerates out the corner twice as hard.

[PhillipM]

CoupeCrazy said:

Wildly inaccurate and dangerious statement to make.

Wildly bad spelling and a very poor trolling attempt.
Come back when you have a relevant comment on the statement and vehicle in question.

Edited by PhillipM on Wednesday 26th October 16:38

[British Beef]

spencermit said:

The main issue I had with Range Rover is the service from the dealers, which is very poor - Anyone know what its like from Nissan?

All down to personal experience and mine is absolutely terrible!!

Wife has a Pathfinder with a simple 2.5lt 4pot diesel turbo engine - simple right? It took Nissan Aberdeen and Nissan (Beadles) Maidstone 6 months of wrong dianosis and incorrect fixes to fix replace some "bypass valve", that was preventing the turbo from spooling.

Nissan requires a "hi-spec department" at the dealership to work on the GTRs. But given that the GTR is far far more complicated than a Pathfinder, I dont fancy their chances of fixing anything.

My advise, find a decent reputable independent specialist and be prepared to travel (especially with the frequent service intervals).

[RobCrezz]

British Beef said:

Wife has a Pathfinder with a simple 2.5lt 4pot diesel turbo engine - simple right? It took Nissan Aberdeen and Nissan (Beadles) Maidstone 6 months of wrong dianosis and incorrect fixes to fix replace some "bypass valve", that was preventing the turbo from spooling.

I would guess this "bypass valve" is in fact the wastegate.

Best going to specialists for things like a GTR, I don't trust any main dealers any more.

[davidcharles]

British Beef said:

All down to personal experience and mine is absolutely terrible!!

Wife has a Pathfinder with a simple 2.5lt 4pot diesel turbo engine - simple right? It took Nissan Aberdeen and Nissan (Beadles) Maidstone 6 months of wrong dianosis and incorrect fixes to fix replace some "bypass valve", that was preventing the turbo from spooling.

Nissan requires a "hi-spec department" at the dealership to work on the GTRs. But given that the GTR is far far more complicated than a Pathfinder, I dont fancy their chances of fixing anything.

My advise, find a decent reputable independent specialist and be prepared to travel (especially with the frequent service intervals).

ie - Litchfield imports