RE: 2012 GT-R To Shave 8 Secs From 'Ring Lap-Time?
Discussion
ksSo after selling my 09 Litchfield tuned car last summer to scratch the Ferrari itch and loving the Scuderia through last summer the Scud is currently in the ever efficient hands of HR Owen for its annual/6250 mile service.
Who ever imagines that GTRs are outrageously expensive compared to "exotics" is way off beam.
Service is £2700 (With nothing needing fixing or renewed, thats just changing the oil so to speak)and the car needs 3 tyres. Thats for a non run flat Pirelli Corsa in a smaller 19" size and at a best cost of £1380, thats exactly what 4 Bridgestones cost for the GTR.
GTR has some expensive bits compared to a Vauxhall Insignia but its cheap as chips compared to a Ferrari (But MUCH faster in the real world)
Back to a nice 2010 GTR for me in the summer and this time even more fettling , 725 bhp, better brakes and Iain's new Bilstein upgrade. MY2012 in standard tune blows any Ferrari into the weeds, spend a few thousand on it and its weapons grade performance
The performance car bargain of our time
Who ever imagines that GTRs are outrageously expensive compared to "exotics" is way off beam.
Service is £2700 (With nothing needing fixing or renewed, thats just changing the oil so to speak)and the car needs 3 tyres. Thats for a non run flat Pirelli Corsa in a smaller 19" size and at a best cost of £1380, thats exactly what 4 Bridgestones cost for the GTR.
GTR has some expensive bits compared to a Vauxhall Insignia but its cheap as chips compared to a Ferrari (But MUCH faster in the real world)
Back to a nice 2010 GTR for me in the summer and this time even more fettling , 725 bhp, better brakes and Iain's new Bilstein upgrade. MY2012 in standard tune blows any Ferrari into the weeds, spend a few thousand on it and its weapons grade performance
The performance car bargain of our time
who cares
how long will they wait to get the optimum track conditions, special tyres, special engine mode and fuel
ZZZZZzzzzzzzzz
bares no reality to real world driving
the GT-R is bonkers, 8 seconds on the ring is meaningless in the real world, what matters now is how expensive the damn thing is getting
if i get the latest GT-R i can get to work 20 seconds quicker woohoo sign me up ..
how long will they wait to get the optimum track conditions, special tyres, special engine mode and fuel
ZZZZZzzzzzzzzz
bares no reality to real world driving
the GT-R is bonkers, 8 seconds on the ring is meaningless in the real world, what matters now is how expensive the damn thing is getting
if i get the latest GT-R i can get to work 20 seconds quicker woohoo sign me up ..
Diamond blue said:
So after selling my 09 Litchfield tuned car last summer to scratch the Ferrari itch and loving the Scuderia through last summer the Scud is currently in the ever efficient hands of HR Owen for its annual/6250 mile service.
Who ever imagines that GTRs are outrageously expensive compared to "exotics" is way off beam.
Service is £2700 (With nothing needing fixing or renewed, thats just changing the oil so to speak)and the car needs 3 tyres. Thats for a non run flat Pirelli Corsa in a smaller 19" size and at a best cost of £1380, thats exactly what 4 Bridgestones cost for the GTR.
GTR has some expensive bits compared to a Vauxhall Insignia but its cheap as chips compared to a Ferrari (But MUCH faster in the real world)
Back to a nice 2010 GTR for me in the summer and this time even more fettling , 725 bhp, better brakes and Iain's new Bilstein upgrade. MY2012 in standard tune blows any Ferrari into the weeds, spend a few thousand on it and its weapons grade performance
The performance car bargain of our time
Will that be as well as or instead of the Scud? If instead of, why not get a 2011 and mod that? I've driven the '11 and '12 back to back and couldn't really tell much difference, but the '11 Black Edition is a MUCH nicer place to be in than the earlier models.Who ever imagines that GTRs are outrageously expensive compared to "exotics" is way off beam.
Service is £2700 (With nothing needing fixing or renewed, thats just changing the oil so to speak)and the car needs 3 tyres. Thats for a non run flat Pirelli Corsa in a smaller 19" size and at a best cost of £1380, thats exactly what 4 Bridgestones cost for the GTR.
GTR has some expensive bits compared to a Vauxhall Insignia but its cheap as chips compared to a Ferrari (But MUCH faster in the real world)
Back to a nice 2010 GTR for me in the summer and this time even more fettling , 725 bhp, better brakes and Iain's new Bilstein upgrade. MY2012 in standard tune blows any Ferrari into the weeds, spend a few thousand on it and its weapons grade performance
The performance car bargain of our time
I've owned my 2010 GT-R for nearly 12 months and it is by far the best car I have ever owned but to be honest it is in a different league to any of my other cars. After using the wifes 3.4 s boxster we bought in the summer I started to get the porsche thing. I booked myself onto a GT course at Silverstone to try out the GT3 with the intention of buying a GT3 RS. After 90 minutes of hooning around the Porsche track a lot of that in 1st gear going sideways I have to admit I was smitten with it a superb car amazingly responsive so much so I didn't even bother with the GT2 its the first time I have truely experienced driving a car from the rear using the throttle absolutely fantastic 
Did I buy a GT3 RS..... no I didn't in the cold light of day simply couldn't see the GTR go the Porsche just didn't offer enough for me on a daily basis of real world driving, the GT-R is in my opinion the greatest car you can buy pound for pound for all occasions on sale today!
Did I buy a GT3 RS..... no I didn't in the cold light of day simply couldn't see the GTR go the Porsche just didn't offer enough for me on a daily basis of real world driving, the GT-R is in my opinion the greatest car you can buy pound for pound for all occasions on sale today!
Godzilla said:
Diamond blue said:
So after selling my 09 Litchfield tuned car last summer to scratch the Ferrari itch and loving the Scuderia through last summer the Scud is currently in the ever efficient hands of HR Owen for its annual/6250 mile service.
Who ever imagines that GTRs are outrageously expensive compared to "exotics" is way off beam.
Service is £2700 (With nothing needing fixing or renewed, thats just changing the oil so to speak)and the car needs 3 tyres. Thats for a non run flat Pirelli Corsa in a smaller 19" size and at a best cost of £1380, thats exactly what 4 Bridgestones cost for the GTR.
GTR has some expensive bits compared to a Vauxhall Insignia but its cheap as chips compared to a Ferrari (But MUCH faster in the real world)
Back to a nice 2010 GTR for me in the summer and this time even more fettling , 725 bhp, better brakes and Iain's new Bilstein upgrade. MY2012 in standard tune blows any Ferrari into the weeds, spend a few thousand on it and its weapons grade performance
The performance car bargain of our time
Will that be as well as or instead of the Scud? If instead of, why not get a 2011 and mod that? I've driven the '11 and '12 back to back and couldn't really tell much difference, but the '11 Black Edition is a MUCH nicer place to be in than the earlier models.Who ever imagines that GTRs are outrageously expensive compared to "exotics" is way off beam.
Service is £2700 (With nothing needing fixing or renewed, thats just changing the oil so to speak)and the car needs 3 tyres. Thats for a non run flat Pirelli Corsa in a smaller 19" size and at a best cost of £1380, thats exactly what 4 Bridgestones cost for the GTR.
GTR has some expensive bits compared to a Vauxhall Insignia but its cheap as chips compared to a Ferrari (But MUCH faster in the real world)
Back to a nice 2010 GTR for me in the summer and this time even more fettling , 725 bhp, better brakes and Iain's new Bilstein upgrade. MY2012 in standard tune blows any Ferrari into the weeds, spend a few thousand on it and its weapons grade performance
The performance car bargain of our time
Alas, bankruptcy would follow in short order I fear!
I agree that the 2011 cabin is a nicer place to be. Prefer the carbon look centre, matt grey anodised metal in place of the scratch prone aluminium and the all leather seats but its still pretty much the same cabin. I really dislike the new wheels personally and love the earlier ones and even if there are good reasons for the apron changes both front and rear they look worse.(And the fairy lights as well! )
Paying £10k more for a 2011 car makes no sense for me.
The power upgrades are irrelevant if its getting fettled anyway and only the 12 month service schedule seem to be worthwhile which is moot on a modded car.(Love the blue though)
So, I reckon the best basis is a nice 2010 sat nav car, Red I think, this time.
Thats no reflection on the Scuderia or a GT3, love em both, marvellous things and superior in some ways to any GTR. The Ferrari is epic, exciting, such an occasion everytime you drive it but its just not a car you can honestly do 10k miles a year in. Bits fall off it and everything costs so much to maintain. The fact is that the effective ceiling to its use is perhaps 7-8k pa, the GTR at least twice that. The fact the Nissan costs a third as much, can be used twice as much and costs less to run makes it a no brainer.
Porsche is more interesting. Been offered a brand new 991 C2S and its a lovely thing. Real high quality cabin, drives beautifully and sounds good but they want £95k for a mainstream non-turbocharged 911. Rare now but in 2 yrs time there will be loads of them and values will plummet , just look at 997s now. Cheaper than the GTR to run though but double a 2010 car and no scope for "improvement"
No, GTR remains the smart choice and I prefer the attitude of the owners and community.I've found Ferrari owners to be so precious its untrue. Slaves to the factory to a ridiculous extent and scared to actually use the b...y things. Grrr
Back to the fold.
The two biggest plus points of a 2011 > 2010 or earlier is a) the handling - much sharper turn-in, less mid-corner understeer, b) the Recaros on the Black Edition are the most comfortable yet supportive seats I've ever tried. Fit harnesses and you'll never yearn for race buckets.
Having said that, Litchfield Imports are about to release a suspension kit that is supposed to be at least as good as the 2011 and with a better ride in Comfort and of course you could buy some aftermarket Recaros, but you'd lose electric adjustment and the side airbags.
But the blue is also nice...
Having said that, Litchfield Imports are about to release a suspension kit that is supposed to be at least as good as the 2011 and with a better ride in Comfort and of course you could buy some aftermarket Recaros, but you'd lose electric adjustment and the side airbags.
But the blue is also nice...
Godzilla said:
The two biggest plus points of a 2011 > 2010 or earlier is a) the handling - much sharper turn-in, less mid-corner understeer, b) the Recaros on the Black Edition are the most comfortable yet supportive seats I've ever tried. Fit harnesses and you'll never yearn for race buckets.
Having said that, Litchfield Imports are about to release a suspension kit that is supposed to be at least as good as the 2011 and with a better ride in Comfort and of course you could buy some aftermarket Recaros, but you'd lose electric adjustment and the side airbags.
But the blue is also nice...
I think Litchfields new suspension kit sounds excellent. They have it on their dem and I'm going to try and get over there and have a drive. Having said that, Litchfield Imports are about to release a suspension kit that is supposed to be at least as good as the 2011 and with a better ride in Comfort and of course you could buy some aftermarket Recaros, but you'd lose electric adjustment and the side airbags.
But the blue is also nice...
Good point re the recaros. Look better , prefer the leather centres as well.Recaro seem to know what shape actual human beings are. Got a RS Megane with Recaros and they are just perfect.
Have you done anything with your 2011 car David? Cobb, Akrapovic etc
Godzilla said:
Didn't take delivery of my 2011 in the end, too big a cost to change for me.
Great shame, but now I'm going to spend the money I "saved" over a period of time to make Godzilla 2 my perfect GT-R!
Now that sounds interesting. Great shame, but now I'm going to spend the money I "saved" over a period of time to make Godzilla 2 my perfect GT-R!
Its like being a kid in a sweet shop sometimes for me, what I miss most about not having mine anymore.
I reckon I could easily drop £30k honing the perfect car.
And thats with some modicum of restraint
Hope the OH doesn't read this, may undermine my money saving case
Dion20vt said:
Want.... But then... my fave GT-R would be the R34 V-spec in bayside blue please Dont see many of them anymore... well, not up here anyway!!
I like your thinking.....just wish they were cheaper second hand! They must be up there as the least depreciating modern sports grand tourer ever, oh and the most complete looking one too. should be pictured in the thesaurus under 'Grand Tourer' Dont see many of them anymore... well, not up here anyway!!One day....
steptoe11 said:
Dion20vt said:
Want.... But then... my fave GT-R would be the R34 V-spec in bayside blue please Dont see many of them anymore... well, not up here anyway!!
I like your thinking.....just wish they were cheaper second hand! They must be up there as the least depreciating modern sports grand tourer ever, oh and the most complete looking one too. should be pictured in the thesaurus under 'Grand Tourer' Dont see many of them anymore... well, not up here anyway!!One day....
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