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blearyeyedboy
2,569 posts
48 months
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jbi said: it's a good thing the OP is on about bulbs and not gas discharge lights then eh? Since the OP's main objection was hassle rather than MOT trouble, I thought it might be helpful to point it out to reinforce his low opinion of them. That way it'd make him feel happier about bulbs as a good choice. Babu 01 said: Sorry if this is getting off topic- as has already been pointed out to me, this was about bulbs rather than HID's  - but I'd read it differently. I thought it meant that you couldn't test self-levelling/headlamp washers but the tester looked to see if washers and self-levelling were fitted. I'm happy to concede I'm wrong if you're certain though.
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Babu 01
1,547 posts
68 months
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I can't say why, possible work related issues, but I am certain that the phrasing in the Manual is to be interpreted as I mentioned above.
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OperationAlfa
1,064 posts
66 months
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I ran them on a volvo C30 with projectors.. huge improvement in visible light... I'd say that the only thing better would be a HID kit..
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blearyeyedboy
2,569 posts
48 months
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Babu 01 said: I can't say why, possible work related issues, but I am certain that the phrasing in the Manual is to be interpreted as I mentioned above. Babu 01 said: I can't say why, possible work related issues, but I am certain that the phrasing in the Manual is to be interpreted as I mentioned above. Fair play- my initial info was from a less detailed magazine article, so I'm happy to put my hand up to an error on my part.  Anyway, back on topic- OP, could any other Audi owners (Audi forums?) describe what bulbs worked/didn't? It could save you some trial and error.
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milu
952 posts
135 months
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Audi A6
Just fitted Halfords extreme brilliance.
Much better than the yellowy affairs that were in before,I'm happy.
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SteveS Cup
1,174 posts
29 months
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Remember that in most of these recommedations the bulbs that are being replaced can be old and tired... so the difference you're noticing isn't just std vs nightbreakers, it's old vs new.
HID kits are so bloody easy to fit and if you have projector lenses I think you'd be crazy not to. You do realise the HID are plug and play? You may have to drill a small hole in the back of the bulb cover and screw the ignitor's somewhere on the inner wing.
If you went for a 4300k kit it would look ultra OEM too. Although 6000k would be my preference.
If you really can't be arsed to do it yourself, slip a mechanic £20 and you'll be out of there in 20 minutes.
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Deerfoot
1,880 posts
53 months
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_Batty_ said: we had them on our RS Megane.
Utter rubbish for the money. Barely any differene in light or colour, and one just managed to last 12 months.
i won't be getting them again. Same here, I had a pair in my Polo, they lasted just over a year and I could hardly tell the difference in performance.
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speedmachine
Original Poster
364 posts
76 months
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SteveS Cup said: Remember that in most of these recommedations the bulbs that are being replaced can be old and tired... so the difference you're noticing isn't just std vs nightbreakers, it's old vs new.
HID kits are so bloody easy to fit and if you have projector lenses I think you'd be crazy not to. You do realise the HID are plug and play? You may have to drill a small hole in the back of the bulb cover and screw the ignitor's somewhere on the inner wing.
If you went for a 4300k kit it would look ultra OEM too. Although 6000k would be my preference.
If you really can't be arsed to do it yourself, slip a mechanic £20 and you'll be out of there in 20 minutes. True, they aren't to much of a hassle fit and i've done it before. But I don't really want to drill the back of the light covers for fear of moisture getting in and misting them up. I think for around £16 I'll go for the Nightbreakers and see how much of an improvement they are.
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vdubbin
1,489 posts
66 months
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Had 'em in the Iggy Sport, made a big difference, there was definitely 30m more visibility down the road.
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Ray Singh
2,037 posts
99 months
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I've got Osram night breakers fitted to my B6 shape Audi A4. The light output between these and the factory standard bulbs is day and night.
I've never had a MOT refused or any trouble with them.
I will definitely get some more when these go.
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speedmachine
Original Poster
364 posts
76 months
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HellDiver
5,708 posts
51 months
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These 100% bulbs are OK - most people saying they're better are replacing maybe 4 year old OE fit bulbs which are probably in the +30% class.
I've seen similar results from fitting a pair of Philips +50% bulbs to what I got from Osram or Philips +100% ones. The +50s lasted a lot longer too - 2 years or more, where the +100% bulbs tend to pop after a winter's use.
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adam85
1,051 posts
60 months
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speedmachine said: SteveS Cup said: HID kits are so bloody easy to fit and if you have projector lenses I think you'd be crazy not to. You do realise the HID are plug and play? You may have to drill a small hole in the back of the bulb cover and screw the ignitor's somewhere on the inner wing.
If you really can't be arsed to do it yourself, slip a mechanic £20 and you'll be out of there in 20 minutes. True, they aren't to much of a hassle fit and i've done it before. But I don't really want to drill the back of the light covers for fear of moisture getting in and misting them up. I think for around £16 I'll go for the Nightbreakers and see how much of an improvement they are. Just be careful and ensure you have auto levelling and head lamp washers on your car. I think this is a requirement for upcoming changes to MOT regulations, I'll happily be proved wrong mind.
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Babu 01
1,547 posts
68 months
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adam85 said: Just be careful and ensure you have auto levelling and head lamp washers on your car. I think this is a requirement for upcoming changes to MOT regulations,
I'll happily be proved wrong mind.  Foot of page 1.
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Madscanner
448 posts
63 months
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I got a pair of Wipac Freeform headlamps with standard H4 bulbs for my other half's Eunos Roadster back in June. Better than what was there before, but still not as good as we wanted, so got a pair of Nightbreaker Plus bulb on evilBay yesterday, so just waiting for them to arrive.
Once in, it will be interesting to assess the difference between the Nightbreakers and and standard H4s in nearly new shells (as opposed to replacing knackered old gear).
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speedmachine
Original Poster
364 posts
76 months
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Madscanner said: I got a pair of Wipac Freeform headlamps with standard H4 bulbs for my other half's Eunos Roadster back in June. Better than what was there before, but still not as good as we wanted, so got a pair of Nightbreaker Plus bulb on evilBay yesterday, so just waiting for them to arrive.
Once in, it will be interesting to assess the difference between the Nightbreakers and and standard H4s in nearly new shells (as opposed to replacing knackered old gear). Let us know how you find them. Maybe take a pic of before and after? Not sure how well the pictures will show the difference though.
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MX7
6,542 posts
43 months
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I got the Philips ones and thought there was a noticeable improvement.
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fangio
505 posts
103 months
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Babu 01 said: blearyeyedboy said: Remember that VOSA are cracking down on HID kits that don't self-level, and they will be checked in MOT's from 1st Jan 2012. Totally incorrect. The 2012 issue Tester's Manual states: Manual said: Vehicles equipped with High Intensity Discharge (HID) or LED dipped beam headlamps may be fitted with headlamp washers and a suspension or headlamp self levelling system.
Where such systems are fitted, they must work; however, it is accepted that it may not be possible to readily determine the functioning of self levelling systems. In such cases, the benefit of the doubt must be given. http://www.dft.gov.uk/vosa/repository/MOT%20Inspection%20Manual.pdf There is no compulsion within the upcoming MOT changes for self levelling suspension or headlamp washers to be fitted to HID equipped cars. If such systems are fitted they must work but even then self levelling must be given the benefit of the doubt if it is not observed to operate as it is impractical to check it's operation during an MOT test. What do you make of this, then?  http://www2.dft.gov.uk/pgr/roadsafety/drs/hidheadl...
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mr_fibuli
609 posts
64 months
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My car had HID dipped lights, and normal halogen main beams. The problem was that the main beam seamed way too dull in comparison to the HIDs - hardly any point using it. So I swapped the main beam bulbs for nightbreakers - vast improvement.
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the-photographer
830 posts
45 months
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I changed from Philips long life bulbs (marked LL) to Philips 100%, they offered a slightly whiter light and a more 'defined' edge to the light on the road.
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