RE: Driven: Ferrari 250 GTO Replica
Discussion
AdvocatusD said:
Perhaps we are losing some perspective here. While it’s all very well to argue about how it’s not “real”, or it’s wasting a “real GTE” maybe we should try and view it from a far more basic premise?
Why do we really love the cars we do?
For me it’s simple:
1. It’s a thing of beauty
2. It makes me feel special and it’s an event
As long as the physical form of the car is as pleasing to the eye as the real thing (and plenty can be, Diablo replicas on MR2 donors aside...) and it give you that unquantifiable feeling inside, who cares.
I don’t give a crap if it’s not the “real deal”. I’d love to have something that beautiful on my drive.
That’s the bottom line for me. It’s a thing of beauty. While the arguments for its intrinsic value, brand identity and the rest are all relevant at some level: to me, at the level I am talking about it's just superfluous errata that clouds the picture.
+ 1Why do we really love the cars we do?
For me it’s simple:
1. It’s a thing of beauty
2. It makes me feel special and it’s an event
As long as the physical form of the car is as pleasing to the eye as the real thing (and plenty can be, Diablo replicas on MR2 donors aside...) and it give you that unquantifiable feeling inside, who cares.
I don’t give a crap if it’s not the “real deal”. I’d love to have something that beautiful on my drive.
That’s the bottom line for me. It’s a thing of beauty. While the arguments for its intrinsic value, brand identity and the rest are all relevant at some level: to me, at the level I am talking about it's just superfluous errata that clouds the picture.
This is just a modified car, the fact is that is just a very nice car that has been modified (though having looked at 250GTE it actually does nothing for me). The modifications are tasteful and carried out to a very high standard (original craftsmanship level)
Nobody would complain if somebody modified their similarly expensive supercar to make it look better or drive faster.
It's also not remotely the case that a car has been destroyed, I still see a functional vehicle that looks pretty good. I'm sure if you really want to you could revert that car back to its original form
Edited by Talksteer on Saturday 29th October 13:36
Everyone is entitled to their view but some of the opinionated rubbish in this thread brings a smile to my face.
This replica is a fabulous work of automotive art. That fact that it is a replica is irrelevant.
I suspect the knockers of this kind of car have never had the pleasure of driving a replica that is so close to the original that it would take a close comparison to see detail differences that don't matter a jot.
These of course are the views of a motoring enthusiast who enjoys cars for what they look like and how they drive.
If 10% of my net worth would buy me one of these, there would be one in my garage right now and in my parking space at work during the week.
This replica is a fabulous work of automotive art. That fact that it is a replica is irrelevant.
I suspect the knockers of this kind of car have never had the pleasure of driving a replica that is so close to the original that it would take a close comparison to see detail differences that don't matter a jot.
These of course are the views of a motoring enthusiast who enjoys cars for what they look like and how they drive.
If 10% of my net worth would buy me one of these, there would be one in my garage right now and in my parking space at work during the week.
So Ferrari sue people who build bad rip offs that look vaguely like mid 90s Ferraris based on old toyotas and yet let somebody professionally engineer a classic in its own right to look like a different classic? As usual its one rule for Duane and his budget fanny wagon and another for his lordship who's too cheap to buy the real deal!
KM666 said:
So Ferrari sue people who build bad rip offs that look vaguely like mid 90s Ferraris based on old toyotas and yet let somebody professionally engineer a classic in its own right to look like a different classic? As usual its one rule for Duane and his budget fanny wagon and another for his lordship who's too cheap to buy the real deal!
This was and still is a certified original Ferrari with a genuine chassis number etc. Sticking something that vaguely looks like a 250 over a Datsun is a completely different ball game. If somebody with a 360 decides to modify it for track use to the point where it's essentially a Challenge Stradale in all but name I can't see Ferrari lawyers sending them a letter anytime soon, this 250 is no different in that respect.KM666 said:
So Ferrari sue people who build bad rip offs that look vaguely like mid 90s Ferraris based on old toyotas and yet let somebody professionally engineer a classic in its own right to look like a different classic? As usual its one rule for Duane and his budget fanny wagon and another for his lordship who's too cheap to buy the real deal!
Ignoring the simple fact that the GTO replica above is based on a Ferrari 250, and is simply a rebody, something that was done in period.Ferrari doesn’t sue Duane and the other peasants; they sue the manufacturers of the kits that Duane glues to his MR2
The one offs are ignored by the factory, however they are very quick to take action against people who are known to be producing the cars in greater numbers.
In Italy it is taken so seriously that replicas have been crushed, irrespective of whether or not they were owned by a peasant or a prince . . . . .
I have no problem with the TR Coupe, in fact I think it's mind blowing:
http://fastisfast.blogspot.com/2011/09/testa-rosa-...
At last Spa6 it was a crowd pleaser as well as a magnet and inspecting it closely I found it stunning.
http://www.classicdriver.com/uk/find/4100_results....
I know the Twymans as perfectionists and passionate enthusiasts and this project clearly shows off what they are about.
http://www.motorretro.com/2011/10/spa-six-hours-fa...
Anyone knows his Danish?
http://www.twymanracing.com/gallery.php
. . . to show what these guys do for a living. Bloody hell.
http://fastisfast.blogspot.com/2011/09/testa-rosa-...
At last Spa6 it was a crowd pleaser as well as a magnet and inspecting it closely I found it stunning.
http://www.classicdriver.com/uk/find/4100_results....
I know the Twymans as perfectionists and passionate enthusiasts and this project clearly shows off what they are about.
http://www.motorretro.com/2011/10/spa-six-hours-fa...
Anyone knows his Danish?
http://www.twymanracing.com/gallery.php
. . . to show what these guys do for a living. Bloody hell.
something a lot of people dont seem to have considered when slating this and going on and on about "killing a real gte" "poor gte" etc etc is that a lot of these things were often done on examples with accident damage or cars needing a huge restoration.
even today with a gte running at £80 - 100k (as has been stated in this thread) a full restoration or rebuild to decent standard will cost so much more than a gte is worth (and not much less than the cost of turning the car into a gto/swb/tr toolroom copy)
would all you haters really rather the car got scrapped or left for yrs n yrs (all the time getting worse) rather than turned into something rather special ?????
one other thing, is this really any different (except for financial scale) to someone taking say a 2 door mk1/2 escort and turning it into a mexico/rs2000 replica etc ?
even today with a gte running at £80 - 100k (as has been stated in this thread) a full restoration or rebuild to decent standard will cost so much more than a gte is worth (and not much less than the cost of turning the car into a gto/swb/tr toolroom copy)
would all you haters really rather the car got scrapped or left for yrs n yrs (all the time getting worse) rather than turned into something rather special ?????
one other thing, is this really any different (except for financial scale) to someone taking say a 2 door mk1/2 escort and turning it into a mexico/rs2000 replica etc ?
Garlick said:
Bill said:
Garlick said:
Bill said:
Aren't they additional silencers to keep the neighbours from complaining?
) but Goodwood has stringent noise regs so they could be additional bolt on silencing. It'd seem a little daft spending that much on the conversion and having enormous wheelbarrow handles sticking out the back.
This is car number 2 from 1962:
Edited by morgrp on Sunday 30th October 08:03
morgrp said:
Garlick said:
Bill said:
Garlick said:
Bill said:
Aren't they additional silencers to keep the neighbours from complaining?
) but Goodwood has stringent noise regs so they could be additional bolt on silencing. It'd seem a little daft spending that much on the conversion and having enormous wheelbarrow handles sticking out the back.This is car number 2 from 1962:
Edited by morgrp on Sunday 30th October 08:03
Two years ago I saw this at a local garage:
I tought "Awesome!", and my brain went wild. Sure, I knew it was some simple replica rubbish banged over an old Datsun, but right there I actually had the crooked urge to buy this.
But during a second visit the inital "Wow!" shattered into a "meh...":
Hence I did the right thing and walked away...
I believe it's still there.
The base car was a 1978 Datsun Z and a GM V8 with 170hp.
I tought "Awesome!", and my brain went wild. Sure, I knew it was some simple replica rubbish banged over an old Datsun, but right there I actually had the crooked urge to buy this.
But during a second visit the inital "Wow!" shattered into a "meh...":
Hence I did the right thing and walked away...
I believe it's still there.
The base car was a 1978 Datsun Z and a GM V8 with 170hp.
Edited by lipadier on Sunday 30th October 10:11
No doubt I'll be pillored, but I like an old shape 'retro' design with modern mechanicals, a Paul Stevens 911 creation for example. You can get power steering conversions for Mk2 Escorts now!
As regards this Ferrari, why not? At least you can enjoy it rather than worry about damaging it or getting stolen.
As regards this Ferrari, why not? At least you can enjoy it rather than worry about damaging it or getting stolen.
dave stew said:
No doubt I'll be pillored, but I like an old shape 'retro' design with modern mechanicals, a Paul Stevens 911 creation for example. You can get power steering conversions for Mk2 Escorts now!
As regards this Ferrari, why not? At least you can enjoy it rather than worry about damaging it or getting stolen.
+ 1As regards this Ferrari, why not? At least you can enjoy it rather than worry about damaging it or getting stolen.
Replicas do degrade the Brand.-So what? Only the owners will be pissed off as their £15 million car hardly ever goes out and here's some oik with a copy? How dare they? Lovely I say let's have more and brighten up the roads-all of these snobs and so-called enthusiasts are uptight nerds. If it was a Mini would it be ok? exactly, so it's the I've got one of those brigade of poseurs, investors, and not really car worshippers but money mad snobs. There that's got your blood pressure rising Ha! Ha!
The 250GTO is a simply stunning car that i will never be able to afford.
I have often thought how easy would it be to produce an EXACT clone of the bodywork using modern 3D cad modeling and 3 axis milling machines to produce a polystyrene buck to take GRP moulds from and use say a TVR chassis (modified to suit the correct wheel base etc). No ferrari badges in sight just a simply stunning shape.
Not sure why someone hasnt done this already (apart from the usual cobra, gt40, porker speedster & Le mans Jags)
I have often thought how easy would it be to produce an EXACT clone of the bodywork using modern 3D cad modeling and 3 axis milling machines to produce a polystyrene buck to take GRP moulds from and use say a TVR chassis (modified to suit the correct wheel base etc). No ferrari badges in sight just a simply stunning shape.
Not sure why someone hasnt done this already (apart from the usual cobra, gt40, porker speedster & Le mans Jags)
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