RE: Driven: Golf GTI Edition 35
Discussion
Superhoop said:
It's nice... The edition models always are, but at that money, I think VW are just trying to see how high they can actually push the price of a Golf, before people stop buying them
I'd rather have a Mazda3 MPS, which despite the power upgrade to the Ed35, still has more power, more torque, is 0.5 seconds quicker to 62mph, and would leave me at least 5k in my pocket, as I stand a better chance of getting a deal on the MPS than I do from daring to ask for deal from a VW dealer....
Yeah I agree the Mazda makes the golf look hugely overpriced. I can't imagine that the golf is that much better to be honest, the Mazda is probably a lot more fun to drive too.I'd rather have a Mazda3 MPS, which despite the power upgrade to the Ed35, still has more power, more torque, is 0.5 seconds quicker to 62mph, and would leave me at least 5k in my pocket, as I stand a better chance of getting a deal on the MPS than I do from daring to ask for deal from a VW dealer....
ArosaMike said:
I don't agree with that. Having seen/heard the way that Ford cars are engineered at an OEM level, they really aren't as good as VW. Everything at Ford is cost, cost, cost. If they have the choice between a really good engineering solution and an OK solution that's not as good, but cheaper, they'll choose the cheaper option every time sacrificing some element of component performance/life/quality. VW and the other German manufacturers have a very different outlook and are very much engineering/quality driven. They tend to see the benefits of an engineering led company and accept slightly higher piece price/development cost offset against lower warranty claims and volume costs.
No, VW aren't problem free by any stretch, but then neither is anyone else, and the fundamental design is generally better. You find higher quality materials and better general design in a VW than a Ford.
So why is it that a Ford Focus drives better than a golf? They have since the late pre 2000. Surely fords 'fundamental' design is better, no? I'm not certain on this point but i'll put it out there, but are european Fords now not more reliable than VW too? No, VW aren't problem free by any stretch, but then neither is anyone else, and the fundamental design is generally better. You find higher quality materials and better general design in a VW than a Ford.
Perhaps were VW pay attention to cup holders Ford focus their attention on things like cluth/brake pedal feel.
wigsworld said:
Yeah I agree the Mazda makes the golf look hugely overpriced. I can't imagine that the golf is that much better to be honest, the Mazda is probably a lot more fun to drive too.
BUT, the purchase price is only the first part of the equation. The "cost" of the car is what you pay for it less what you sell it for. So retained value is crucial. Now I dont know how MPS's do in those terms but they are not going to be retaining 55% + so already that difference is a moot point.That is why , for example, the brilliant Megane RS costs more to contract hire (£27k) than an S3, (£33k)
- Just had a little work out. MPS £23500 list, worth £7500 after 3 years = Cost £16000
You may get 10% off the Mazda, not the Golf and all those extras add up but its cheaper to own the Golf.
The Golf is also great to drive, only the Megane and perhaps the Focus RS are more exciting in the class from all I've seen and read.
Johnboy Mac said:
28K, horses for courses.
I sure wouldn't knock somebody for buying one especially if it's well within their budget and I'd doubt there's many multi role cars out there that can match the abilities of this GTi for the money.
Me? I'd pass thanks until I see the price of the same spec 328i M Sport (with it's missing two cylinders).
With the greatest of respect, why should somebody's budget come into it?I sure wouldn't knock somebody for buying one especially if it's well within their budget and I'd doubt there's many multi role cars out there that can match the abilities of this GTi for the money.
Me? I'd pass thanks until I see the price of the same spec 328i M Sport (with it's missing two cylinders).
Beefmeister said:
Johnboy Mac said:
Me? I'd pass thanks until I see the price of the same spec 328i M Sport (with it's missing two cylinders).
You're barking up the wrong tree - the new 1-Series is the competitor to this car. Given that the current 330i M Sport (the car the 328i is replacing) costs £37,600 it'll be a dair chunk more expensive.There'll be a 128i using the above 4cyl turbo engine, and I'd wager it'll still cost more than this Golf...
You are right of course (that's presuming there is a 128i as it's not listed for sale at present unlike the 328i), the 1 will be nearer in price to the Golf but I'd mentioned the 3 Series simply because both it & the Golf are far more iconic and considered best in class unlike the 1 Series, more special too and many more petrol-heads & the general public alike have traded between both over the last thirty years.
Also, the new 328i is now a four pot turbo just like the GTi and in that respect the 328i becomes closer to the GTi rather than further away, thus my comment in the original post. So, just maybe the Golf is even better value again, against both a 128i & 328i (M Tech/Sport/M or whatever they call it).
Edited by Johnboy Mac on Friday 4th November 05:37
J4CKO said:
Always think people who buy new VW "Sporty" models are non petrolheads after something "a bit sporty" with a premium-ish badge, lets face it no self respecting petrolhead would lash the best part of 30 grand on a Golf with 230 bhp, sure its great "as a package" but it just says to me its a non petrolhead wanting to be one but missing the point to a certain extent, I dont think most real petrolheads buy new mid range stuff, if they are blessed with 30 grand they will scuttle off to the classifieds and buy a Noble or 996 turbo. All the VW performance stuff has a similar image to me, Scirrocco, even the Golf R it just looks like you tuck your jumper in your jeans and have immaculate nails.
Haha, what a load of utter rubbish.Who dares to raise a hand at the Edition 30????
I have owned mine for nearly a year now and it has been nothing short of fantastic.
It is lively, fun, it looks great, sounds great and I love to go from A to B via C, D and E. If you fancy more power, all you do is give it a remap from 230PS to 310PS and problem solved (the Edition 30 is one of the most regularly remapped car's in the world right now because it has so much power available to it - thankyou K04S turbo). Get the manual gearbox if you want to have more fun but the DSG is still great for if you end up putting more miles on it for commuting etc.
If you just want a toy, get a Mazda MX-5 or something - if you want a practical, sensible and seriously fast car that can also be used as a toy and will hold it's own against 2 seater sports cars and 3-series bmw's etc. get a Golf GTI Edition 30.
Warning: remapping the Ed30 is addictive.
I have owned mine for nearly a year now and it has been nothing short of fantastic.
It is lively, fun, it looks great, sounds great and I love to go from A to B via C, D and E. If you fancy more power, all you do is give it a remap from 230PS to 310PS and problem solved (the Edition 30 is one of the most regularly remapped car's in the world right now because it has so much power available to it - thankyou K04S turbo). Get the manual gearbox if you want to have more fun but the DSG is still great for if you end up putting more miles on it for commuting etc.
If you just want a toy, get a Mazda MX-5 or something - if you want a practical, sensible and seriously fast car that can also be used as a toy and will hold it's own against 2 seater sports cars and 3-series bmw's etc. get a Golf GTI Edition 30.
Warning: remapping the Ed30 is addictive.
andrewparker said:
Haha, what a load of utter rubbish.
Yep. For me I need a compromise car because I live in the inner city and have one parking spot. Do the shopping, do trackdays, go on goons and carry four adults in comfort. I also need a respectable but not flashy car for work.
Golf gti, or in my case, R, fits that to a tee.
andrewparker said:
J4CKO said:
Always think people who buy new VW "Sporty" models are non petrolheads after something "a bit sporty" with a premium-ish badge, lets face it no self respecting petrolhead would lash the best part of 30 grand on a Golf with 230 bhp, sure its great "as a package" but it just says to me its a non petrolhead wanting to be one but missing the point to a certain extent, I dont think most real petrolheads buy new mid range stuff, if they are blessed with 30 grand they will scuttle off to the classifieds and buy a Noble or 996 turbo. All the VW performance stuff has a similar image to me, Scirrocco, even the Golf R it just looks like you tuck your jumper in your jeans and have immaculate nails.
Haha, what a load of utter rubbish.Most buyers in this market need the car to work as more than a toy on a sunday. Pretty tough to use a Noble as your only car. Real petrolheads want their family/commuting/shopping car to be fun to drive, quick, not to cost them a fortune to look after and put fuel into.
If you can afford 2 cars,Like the OP suggested then fine, but if you need one car to do it all the GTI is just about perfect.
Thats another topic though. If your a real petrolhead and you can have only 1 car what would you have.
My vote, E92 M3 saloon.
Colonial said:
So you have never driven either?
Driven the Mazda and I liked it thought it was good fun. I know the Golf will be good but it's a boring choice and they're over priced in my opinion. The depreciation on the Mazda is pretty severe (some great second hand bargains out there), but once you factor in the discount it will be at least 7 or 8k cheaper to buy than the golf so I don't think the Golf will be cheaper to run in the long run, they're not exactly depreciation proof either.If you only have one car, and want to enjoy the experience of driving (a minority of a few % I suspect these days) then I don't think it is necessarily which car you buy but the type of car. We've just got our second Mini, a JCW replacing an S because we love the size, its rawness and the way it makes us smile, if I wanted something bigger maybe the 35 would be on the list but my God we are lucky, not least cos these days you can knock off 200 motorway miles in huge comfort in these small packages as well. To have small easy to live with cars that'd probably ruin the day of a Ferrari 328 - these sort of cars have been honed and delveloped and are brilliant. I love almost all of them!
Cassius81 said:
It has returned 32-34mpg or thereabouts provided I am sensible, hasn't broken down and has cost £200 in servicing (with the VW service pack) in that time. Why did I choose it? I don't want a stripped out track car, I want something understated and discreet (unlike a Focus or Leon) that is spacious (can carry 2 bikes with the seats down, no problem), refined, quick enough and won't lose too much of my money..
This is exactly what I love about mine. I'll keep an open mind when replacing it but a 1y/o Mk6 GTI will definitely be on the list to try. Motorrad said:
GTEYE said:
but you can see where VW put the extra quality in, which i guess is why they cost more.
you might be able to see 'vw extra quality' but when I went from a MKIV Anniversary to a MKV GTi I was horrified at the cheap, nasty, scratch prone plastics, seats that seemed to wear very quickly and 'bobbly' carpet that reminded me of an early 90's Hyundai.The MKVI improved on that but, in my opinion, it isn't a patch on other 'premium' cars and even some other 'lesser' models in the Volkswagen group's output (Skoda springs to mind).
Put simply I dont see the GTi as a premium product in the same way it managed back in the MKIV days, albeit one that's streets ahead in terms of the way it drives.
Well overpriced.
Motorrad said:
The MKVI improved on that but, in my opinion, it isn't a patch on other 'premium' cars and even some other 'lesser' models in the Volkswagen group's output (Skoda springs to mind).
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