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nickfrog
2,141 posts
86 months
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sootyrumble said: I just read your profile and see your a porsche fanboy if you hate nissan for doing to Porsche exactly what they did to ferrari and the other supercars which is build a faster real world car for less money with more dynamic ability then please do not just flame other peoples comments with silly arguments because you hate Nissan ??? I am not a fanboy of any brands. Actually I am not a boy (well not always anyway at the age of 42). I also happen to have a Nissan Qashqai so nothing against the brand. I could not care less about brands actually, I happen to have a Porsche because they make a brilliantly affordable and cheap to run mid-engine 2-seater. Can't think of a better 5 year old car for £14K, can you ? I only judge car for their function and I think I have praised the GTR and just stated that it does not do it for me, based on a driving it both on track and on the road. Fanboy, moi ? Looks like you're judging me by your own standards.
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Lambo FirstBlood
592 posts
48 months
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loveice said: Performance wise, it's in the competition for Zonda F Clubsport, Veyron, 997 GT2 RS... way ahead of the new Mclaren and 458. I doubt the Enzo replacement (F70) would be quicker or faster around track. Just thought I'd put my two penneth in at this point as I think you have these in the wrong order. I haven't drive all of the cars you mention but most of them. I haven't drive the Veyron but I have driven (and owned) the Mclaren and it's faster than all of the other cars you mention including the current GTR, GT2 RS, Zonda F. LFB
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sootyrumble
295 posts
55 months
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nickfrog said: sootyrumble said: I just read your profile and see your a porsche fanboy if you hate nissan for doing to Porsche exactly what they did to ferrari and the other supercars which is build a faster real world car for less money with more dynamic ability then please do not just flame other peoples comments with silly arguments because you hate Nissan ??? I am not a fanboy of any brands. Actually I am not a boy (well not always anyway at the age of 42). I also happen to have a Nissan Qashqai so nothing against the brand. I could not care less about brands actually, I happen to have a Porsche because they make a brilliantly affordable and cheap to run mid-engine 2-seater. Can't think of a better 5 year old car for £14K, can you ? I only judge car for their function and I think I have praised the GTR and just stated that it does not do it for me, based on a driving it both on track and on the road. Fanboy, moi ? Looks like you're judging me by your own standards. Then why beat on the GTR on every thread as Dagnut pointed out i haven't noticed much praise from you at all, as too a two seater check the honda s2000 quicker and much more characterful all though without the talent you will be hedge diving in the wet ;-). My Dream garage is as follows: Porsche GT3 RS 4.0 Nissan GTR Track Edition Ariel Atom V8 Aston Martin DBS Honda NSX Type R Track Prepped VW Golf MK1 with a G60 Conversion Mercedes SLS And holding No 1 Dream spot is the Lexus LFA Track Version as you can see no real preference except they are all the most road focused versions thats all i care about, comfort comes second
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nickfrog
2,141 posts
86 months
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sootyrumble said: Then why beat on the GTR on every thread as Dagnut pointed out i haven't noticed much praise from you at all Errr... this is what I wrote in this very thread, Key Stage 1 Reading anyone ?? nickfrog said: Don't get me wrong, I think it's an incredible achievement to deliver so much performance and traction for so little money I only ever posted in 2 GTR threads as replied to Dagnut, I am just being consistent, what's wrong with that ? sootyrumble said: , as too a two seater check the honda s2000 quicker and much more characterful all though without the talent you will be hedge diving in the wet ;-). I put £250 worth of food shopping in the Boxster boots yesterday and my 11 year old son as a passenger (he was carrying the bog rolls, granted). Have you tried that in a S2000 ? As it happens, I have a very good knowledge of the S2000, we used to run them at Palmersport at Bedford a long time ago and therefore I have driven it on the limit on track and they are fantastic indeed when you have wide run-off areas. I much prefer the traction characteristic and the overall grip+balance of the Boxster, however slow that makes it or that makes me...;-)
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BelfastBoy
524 posts
29 months
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Jgtv said: But still I would have something that will certainly be slower on a track even in my unskilled paws, probably show its self up even more on the way, just simply because despite all these things there is something about a lambo that makes me want * actually NEED one in my life one day. So with my fictional 70K I would take this http://pistonheads.com/sales/3164598.htmover this http://pistonheads.com/sales/3328049.htmDispite one being on paper at least better in almost every single way. I respect your opinion here but disagree completely with the comparison. The beauty of the GTR is that it's a reliable, all-weather, everyday car, reasonably practical and usable - and yet has the performance and capabilities to humble hypercars. With the best will in the world, you can't say that the Gallardo is a practical everyday car that can seat four(ish) people and some shopping / luggage. I know that people can and do use Lambos as everyday cars, but I never would - however, I take your point that a Gallardo is a far more special car than a GTR. I just don't think they can be directly compared. The GTR is a super car, but it's not a 'supercar', while the Lambo definitely is. For me, the GTR's main rival / point of comparison is certainly a Porsche 911, but not any of the GT3/GT2/RS variants. No, it's the Turbo / Turbo S, in the sense that their power outputs are similar, and also that they're both 4WD, reliable, fairly practical but with creature comforts like leather, aircon etc - they can be used as everyday cars if you wish. General consensus is that Porsche build quality is ultimately better, but is it really £50k better? That's why the GTR is such a relative bargain (especially second hand).
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glazbagun
4,153 posts
66 months
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Risotto said: Froomee said: Some minor improvements all round, I have never understood why more manufacturers don't go down this route if the initial model is successful. Some cars are a great design to start with so why not keep the same principles but improve them. I agree, but when you look at other manufacturers who follow this principle, it's easy to see why more don't do it. Take the 911 for example - look at how many people slate each new iteration for being unimaginative and lazy! Or when Lotus introduced the S or upgraded the Evora interior- PH explodes in indignation for the owners of previous models.
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The1Driver
133 posts
21 months
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Froomee said: Right may aswell get this out of the way: 1. It's too heavy and eats consumables. 2. It can only do 1 or 2 hot laps. 3. It lacks feel and has too many electronics. 4. It looks like a car from GT5. 5. It's not a <insert brand here>. 6. Servicing costs the same as a ££££££ car and it is unreliable.   Some minor improvements all round, I have never understood why more manufacturers don't go down this route if the initial model is successful. Some cars are a great design to start with so why not keep the same principles but improve them. I don't like the styling too much but still a nice car all the same  One would love to know if you've ever driven the car? 1. Heavy perhaps, but it looks as though it can handle itself pretty well on the track. I use the word looks as I've never driven the car myself. 2. Cant comment too much as I've never driven the thing. Saying that I've never heard or read a review moan about this... 3. Believe it or not alot of cars have this. You want raw man vs machine then get a TVR. 4. This really made me laugh lol. What on earth do you mean? The same could be said about most of today's car as alot of them are also in GT5. Silly man. 5. I respect this..... 6. Cant comment too much as I dont own one.... However, Not heard or seen any negative reports...
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Risotto
3,055 posts
81 months
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The1Driver said: Froomee said: Right may aswell get this out of the way: 1. It's too heavy and eats consumables. 2. It can only do 1 or 2 hot laps. 3. It lacks feel and has too many electronics. 4. It looks like a car from GT5. 5. It's not a <insert brand here>. 6. Servicing costs the same as a ££££££ car and it is unreliable. Some minor improvements all round, I have never understood why more manufacturers don't go down this route if the initial model is successful. Some cars are a great design to start with so why not keep the same principles but improve them. I don't like the styling too much but still a nice car all the same One would love to know if you've ever driven the car? 1. Heavy perhaps, but it looks as though it can handle itself pretty well on the track. I use the word looks as I've never driven the car myself. 2. Cant comment too much as I've never driven the thing. Saying that I've never heard or read a review moan about this... 3. Believe it or not alot of cars have this. You want raw man vs machine then get a TVR. 4. This really made me laugh lol. What on earth do you mean? The same could be said about most of today's car as alot of them are also in GT5. Silly man. 5. I respect this..... 6. Cant comment too much as I dont own one.... However, Not heard or seen any negative reports... Perhaps if people READ THE THREAD PROPERLY they might have spotted that... ...some time ago Froomee also said: Just to clarify to all of those who commented I was being sarcastic hence the roll eyes.......in an attempt to stop this thread from descending into another farce smile
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The1Driver
133 posts
21 months
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Tonto
2,611 posts
117 months
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Would love to trade up my my09 car  To a 2012, but as the price shot up last year the cost to change is now huge.
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ZeeTacoe
2,394 posts
91 months
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loveice said: ZesPak said: So, performance wise, this is basically in the competition for the McLaren and the 458, right? (even beating them in the straight line) In purchase it's a lot cheaper, how would the running costs compare? Oh and for the people going on an on about some gearboxes failing, wasn't the 458 prone to CATCHING FIRE when driven hard? Boy, I don't know which I'd prefer tbh  Performance wise, it's in the competition for Zonda F Clubsport, Veyron, 997 GT2 RS... way ahead of the new Mclaren and 458. I doubt the Enzo replacement (F70) would be quicker or faster around track. Really? Those cars are all more powerful,significantly lighter*, longer,wider,lower,etc
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hairykrishna
8,970 posts
72 months
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ZeeTacoe said: loveice said: ZesPak said: So, performance wise, this is basically in the competition for the McLaren and the 458, right? (even beating them in the straight line) In purchase it's a lot cheaper, how would the running costs compare? Oh and for the people going on an on about some gearboxes failing, wasn't the 458 prone to CATCHING FIRE when driven hard? Boy, I don't know which I'd prefer tbh Performance wise, it's in the competition for Zonda F Clubsport, Veyron, 997 GT2 RS... way ahead of the new Mclaren and 458. I doubt the Enzo replacement (F70) would be quicker or faster around track. Really? Those cars are all more powerful,significantly lighter*, longer,wider,lower,etc It's a fast car but the Enzo replacement's strongly rumoured to be ~1200kg with north of 800bhp. I'd be astonished if it's not quicker.
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W8PMC
451 posts
107 months
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nickfrog said: Interesting comment. What if said other performance car is driven by a very skilled driver vs the GTR driven by your average "one hand at the top of the wheel" performance car driver ?
Also, this only applies to roads where the GTR can actually fit !! I know many brilliant back roads where it would be seriously held back by its seriously large size compared to other "normal size" cars.
Don't get me wrong, I think it's an incredible achievement to deliver so much performance and traction for so little money, I just can't see where it can be properly used : it's the last car I would want to have fun with on a track, it's too big to fit on a twisty back road so I guess it's a motorway car ? If not, what else ? It's exceptional on track & fits just fine down UK back roads. I've not had one single encounter on any road or track where i've thought "s  t it's too big". I can't argue it's not a small car but no bigger footprint than say a 5 series.
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thewheelman
2,194 posts
42 months
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Dagnut said: thewheelman said: I'd say he's right about running costs & reliability. As for the rest of it, that's all a matter of opinion. You were involved in the last thread, were this was debunked by every single owner or ex owner and yet you still perpetuate it in this thread? Really, when was this? I've owned a couple of them, have you? Guessing you're being petulant yet again. No change there then....
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thewheelman
2,194 posts
42 months
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W8PMC said: thewheelman said: The costs of the brake pads & discs are  Don't get me wrong, i love the GTR, but there are some horror stories out there when it comes to ownership costs. What horror stories? The OEM tyres are a very scary price if any owner is mad enough to buy from the NHPC. A comparable & approved tyre can be bought from any tyre supplier for half the price of the OEM from a dealer (no more than i've paid for a set on previous cars) As for brakes, again if you replace with OEM from an NHPC then prepare to pay top $. You can buy better aftermarket pads/discs for half the money which is what most owners do. Would agree the dealers are a tad OTT with their consumable pricing, however it's no bigger cost than you'd pay at a Porsche dealer. Hell yeah, dealers are a complete con. The couple i had very briefly were both pre owned, & reading what the original owners had spent in the history was terrible. But personally, i wouldn't go near a main dealer.
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Dagnut
2,968 posts
62 months
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thewheelman said: Really, when was this? I've owned a couple of them, have you?
Guessing you're being petulant yet again. No change there then....
Not being petulant at all , no I haven't owned any This thread was only a couple of weeks ago.. http://pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&f...Not trying to get into any tit for tat with you but I'm pretty sure you're first few posts on here where saying about how you didn't like the GTR and would rather a GT3 yet now you say you've owned 2 of them?
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GTR Owner
36 posts
34 months
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5lab said: heh, last time I was at the ring I was in the little carpark by the entrance, wondering round looking at the posh metal. There was a brit there in a very shiney GTR.
he was compaining that he had to go to the petrol station (which is a couple of miles away), it had used 3/4 of its tank in 3 laps
it has a 20 gallon tank.
quick fag packet calculations suggest <3mpg.
my mx5 at the same time managed 180 miles (mostly laps of the ring, but a few of the gp circuit) on a tank almost exactly half the size. Still, he was probably going a touch quicker Was that in either 16 July or September of this year by any chance? Was the shiny GTR red with some yellow graphics on the car? I remember such a conversation in the car park and yes I worked out later I was getting 3.5mpg on a lap. Ouch.
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GTR Owner
36 posts
34 months
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Here is me on the September trip. Wheel just lifted off. 
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TSS
1,017 posts
137 months
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nickfrog said: Also, this only applies to roads where the GTR can actually fit !! I know many brilliant back roads where it would be seriously held back by its seriously large size compared to other "normal size" cars. Very true, there are plenty of back roads where my old S3 was quicker because the GTR is 20% bigger than it should be (IMHO) and the ride is so harsh even in "comfort mode" that you‘ll either get bounced off the road by a bump in the tarmac or break your teeth - although I think they may have done something about this in later versions? nickfrog said: Don't get me wrong, I think it's an incredible achievement to deliver so much performance and traction for so little money, I just can't see where it can be properly used : it's the last car I would want to have fun with on a track, it's too big to fit on a twisty back road so I guess it's a motorway car ? If not, what else ? It makes a nice commuter early in the morning on decent A roads where the comedy acceleration allows to overtake anything and everything in places that you just wouldn’t think possible unless you were on a fast bike – as long as you don’t mind 6mpg. It is also rather funny in the traffic light grand prix. Other than that I’m not too sure what it’s good for either.
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GTR Owner
36 posts
34 months
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TSS said: It makes a nice commuter early in the morning on decent A roads where the comedy acceleration allows to overtake anything and everything in places that you just wouldn’t think possible unless you were on a fast bike – as long as you don’t mind 6mpg. It is also rather funny in the traffic light grand prix. Other than that I’m not too sure what it’s good for either. The GTR is not much larger than other similar cars and is great on both track and road. I have driven mine at Snetterton, Silverstone and Nurburgring. The only time I have ever felt limited by where is can go is one local road with quite high speedbumps. One of them is a little too high as it shaved off several mm of my front splitter.
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