RE: McLaren rolls out MP4-12C spec changes
Discussion
Tallbut Buxomly said:
Ever seen any other car company do that?
err Yes!Every f
king manufacturer issues recalls/campaigns/updates throughout a model lifespan to address issues they didn't pick up originally. But as ever PH McLaren fan boyism makes out they are somehow wonderful and better than every one else.
Tards!jtremlett said:
... Some owners have long since got fed up with their treatment and got shot of their cars. ...
Indeed. I gather the 3rd customer from Manchester McLaren has already sold his Black one back to them!Evo said:
TonyHetherington said:
declasm said:
Think I saw them testing in Brookwood last week:
Is that not just delivering a new car - the white bits look like protection?
Does make you wonder how thorough that QC is though, given the problems from customers?
IMO The main problem here is that McLaren promised too many things with this car. Of course customer expectations go up in that situation. Maybe as abiove they should have played it more "British" and been as understated as when they launched the F1 in 1988. Rather than Rons obsession with Ferrari (notice how Ferrari and McLarens F1 arms get on fine now Ron and Jean have moved elsewhere) bashing has led him astray.
Ricky Cox said:
Congrats, your quoting ability is second to none, your comprehension of my point; rather less commendable. I can only hang my head in shame over the quality of my quote; however, I do have the excuse that I was making a phone call on my iPhone 4s at the time
You may want to have a read at the whole thread again, before you accuse Zee of not comprehending your quote..you might find that it's the person pointing the finger whose just been found guilty of doing that.. Rich_W said:
Every fking manufacturer issues recalls/campaigns/updates throughout a model lifespan to address issues they didn't pick up originally.
But as ever PH McLaren fan boyism makes out they are somehow wonderful and better than every one else. Tards!
Good Lord! Whatever did McLaren do to you to deserve this vitriol? king manufacturer issues recalls/campaigns/updates throughout a model lifespan to address issues they didn't pick up originally. But as ever PH McLaren fan boyism makes out they are somehow wonderful and better than every one else.
Tards!
TVRWannabee said:
Rich_W said:
Every fking manufacturer issues recalls/campaigns/updates throughout a model lifespan to address issues they didn't pick up originally.
But as ever PH McLaren fan boyism makes out they are somehow wonderful and better than every one else. Tards!
Good Lord! Whatever did McLaren do to you to deserve this vitriol? king manufacturer issues recalls/campaigns/updates throughout a model lifespan to address issues they didn't pick up originally. But as ever PH McLaren fan boyism makes out they are somehow wonderful and better than every one else.
Tards!I can't help but laugh at the whiners and chunterers on this posting-probably none are owners to boot. McLaren IMHO are redressing the glitches from feedback they have received on their car and are fixing everything free of charge. When Porsche ran away from their water cooled engine problems at first was there the same hysterical reaction-NO!
Did they fix everything-NO! The same with BMW engine linings-took ages to confess.
I can't think of another manufacturer who has been as honest in their reaction to customer complaints and so ready to fix as quickly as McLaren. So well Done Ron-a person who has built a British Car Company from scratch with honest endeavours and the utmost credibility to challenge all of the well established brands and in most cases outperform everything else on sale. So let's hear it for an amazing British success-hear hear!
Did they fix everything-NO! The same with BMW engine linings-took ages to confess.
I can't think of another manufacturer who has been as honest in their reaction to customer complaints and so ready to fix as quickly as McLaren. So well Done Ron-a person who has built a British Car Company from scratch with honest endeavours and the utmost credibility to challenge all of the well established brands and in most cases outperform everything else on sale. So let's hear it for an amazing British success-hear hear!
I can't help but laugh at the whiners and chunterers on this posting-probably none are owners to boot. McLaren IMHO are redressing the glitches from feedback they have received on their car and are fixing everything free of charge. When Porsche ran away from their water cooled engine problems at first was there the same hysterical reaction-NO!
Did they fix everything-NO! The same with BMW engine linings-took ages to confess.
I can't think of another manufacturer who has been as honest in their reaction to customer complaints and so ready to fix as quickly as McLaren. So well Done Ron-a person who has built a British Car Company from scratch with honest endeavours and the utmost credibility to challenge all of the well established brands and in most cases outperform everything else on sale. So let's hear it for an amazing British success-hear hear!
Did they fix everything-NO! The same with BMW engine linings-took ages to confess.
I can't think of another manufacturer who has been as honest in their reaction to customer complaints and so ready to fix as quickly as McLaren. So well Done Ron-a person who has built a British Car Company from scratch with honest endeavours and the utmost credibility to challenge all of the well established brands and in most cases outperform everything else on sale. So let's hear it for an amazing British success-hear hear!
To be clear, the MP4 12Cs that have been delivered have suffered from several generally annoying glitches.Fixes for those are recalls , no matter how they spin it. Doors that wont open in the wet, windows blowing out etc. No credit can be given for sorting that out.
The IRIS Nav/sound system was a concious decision made by them and they are planned upgrades to early cars which otherwise would not have been delivered yet. Again, Of course they aren't charging to do that!
What they have taken on board is criticisms made about the car in road tests and made instant and welcome changes to improve the driving experience. Thats to be lauded and I cant think of other manufacturers who have done that. They all make constant improvements to their cars and incorporate them on subsequent new cars but they dont "upgrade" existing cars without charge.
What will be more interesting to me is whether when the quality glitches are fixed and new cars dont have the issues requiring them to go back to the dealers will McLaren still do this?
Probably not tbh
The IRIS Nav/sound system was a concious decision made by them and they are planned upgrades to early cars which otherwise would not have been delivered yet. Again, Of course they aren't charging to do that!
What they have taken on board is criticisms made about the car in road tests and made instant and welcome changes to improve the driving experience. Thats to be lauded and I cant think of other manufacturers who have done that. They all make constant improvements to their cars and incorporate them on subsequent new cars but they dont "upgrade" existing cars without charge.
What will be more interesting to me is whether when the quality glitches are fixed and new cars dont have the issues requiring them to go back to the dealers will McLaren still do this?
Probably not tbh
Diamond blue said:
To be clear, the MP4 12Cs that have been delivered have suffered from several generally annoying glitches.Fixes for those are recalls , no matter how they spin it. Doors that wont open in the wet, windows blowing out etc. No credit can be given for sorting that out.
The IRIS Nav/sound system was a concious decision made by them and they are planned upgrades to early cars which otherwise would not have been delivered yet. Again, Of course they aren't charging to do that!
What they have taken on board is criticisms made about the car in road tests and made instant and welcome changes to improve the driving experience. Thats to be lauded and I cant think of other manufacturers who have done that. They all make constant improvements to their cars and incorporate them on subsequent new cars but they dont "upgrade" existing cars without charge.
What will be more interesting to me is whether when the quality glitches are fixed and new cars dont have the issues requiring them to go back to the dealers will McLaren still do this?
Probably not tbh
The windows blowing out never happened to a customer car.The IRIS Nav/sound system was a concious decision made by them and they are planned upgrades to early cars which otherwise would not have been delivered yet. Again, Of course they aren't charging to do that!
What they have taken on board is criticisms made about the car in road tests and made instant and welcome changes to improve the driving experience. Thats to be lauded and I cant think of other manufacturers who have done that. They all make constant improvements to their cars and incorporate them on subsequent new cars but they dont "upgrade" existing cars without charge.
What will be more interesting to me is whether when the quality glitches are fixed and new cars dont have the issues requiring them to go back to the dealers will McLaren still do this?
Probably not tbh
New cars being delivered will have all the fixes which are available
GFWilliams said:
muhuha said:
Spotted last week also, a3/m25 roundabout. Definatly testing as there was a bloke making notes.
Pains me to say it, but this car is a real disappointment in my book. Attended the London launch at the Transport Museum which was invited to as had a deposit down, but this already set alarm bells ringing before any of the tests started coming through. Made a couple of negative observations about the car which were responded to by 'this is a pre-production car and will be sorted out before delivery to customers'. Any other car company and this might just about wash, but not McLaren who are famous for their festidious attention to detail down to the tool kit. With this type of car, in a very competitive segment, not helped by the climate, already on the backfoot. Set the tone, and this upgrade is further evidence they have not got it right. This is a very different segment / project to the F1, which was basically one man's dream, Gordon Murray. The SLR was a dreadful car and whilst the 12C has gone someway towards restoring credibility, it is not the game changer I was expecting, nor has it kept to McLaren's exacting demands of design and clinical execution in my opinion. Desperately wanted to send a cheque to Woking because I love what F1 team embodies and its 'British', but at c£200k with bits, its wrongly priced and doesn't hit the mark in my opinion.
Diamond blue said:
... Thats to be lauded and I cant think of other manufacturers who have done that. They all make constant improvements to their cars and incorporate them on subsequent new cars but they dont "upgrade" existing cars without charge....
Only one I can think of was the Audi TT when it first came out and a few ttty drivers smashed themselves to bits because they didn't understand "lift off oversteer" Caused them to recall all of them for major upgrade. Suspension and ESP fitment with the bigger rear spoiler. Wasn't really a recall in the sense of a fault with the car. More a fault of the owners 
ETA
I always liked the Brabus SLR
Edited by Rich_W on Monday 14th November 20:12
GFWilliams said:
The windows blowing out never happened to a customer car.
New cars being delivered will have all the fixes which are available
I'm sure you're right re the windows but there have been a disappointing number of annoying problems with early customer cars which in light of expectations are doing McLaren no favours. Their reaction is good and it will stand them in good stead. Problems happen, its how you deal with them that really counts.New cars being delivered will have all the fixes which are available
My main point was that upgrading "existing" cars is a good thing. The fixes being applied to the new cars going to customers is fine and good and only right IMO but looking after your clients by improving the cars they already bought will go down well and is to be applauded. Will they continue to do this with upcoming "upgrades" (Like a software company does for example) once the production car glitches are eradicated.
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