RE: SSC Tuatara: interior and other details
Discussion
Overall, an interesting proposition but, as already mentioned, some of the interior detail is a bit too weird: Crying alien centre console; Allegro-style Quartic steering wheel etc.
The name - well, they still have time to change that for the UK / English-speaking market: How about "Clungeina"?
The name - well, they still have time to change that for the UK / English-speaking market: How about "Clungeina"?
I don't get it, why is everyone so hung up on comparing it to other cars?
clearly they got their inspiration from somewhere, I'd like to see anyone create a completely original design these days whilst abiding to the laws of extreme aerodynamics.
I think the name is the only thing that lets it down, also because it's american it'll probably handle so bad around corners they may as well just remove the steering wheel.
PS. lol it has a microwave
clearly they got their inspiration from somewhere, I'd like to see anyone create a completely original design these days whilst abiding to the laws of extreme aerodynamics.
I think the name is the only thing that lets it down, also because it's american it'll probably handle so bad around corners they may as well just remove the steering wheel.
PS. lol it has a microwave
loveice said:
Which is a good thing for a hypercar (there're just too many 0-60 in 4 sec supercars nowadays). A car like this should be something 5 year old would draw, not an super experienced VW designer would. You which car's interior would never be drawn by a first year automotive design student? Phaeton...
I think someone has had a bad experience with V-Dubs. The Phaeton is lovely, drove one for a day and didn't want to hand over the keys, it's a Bentley for people who don't care what other people think.Edited by JuniorJet on Friday 11th November 10:26
It seems people are forgetting the manufacturer of the car, stop being so traditionally ignorant and read the text. The design has been around for a fair amount of time now and going by what they achieved with the SSC Ultimate Aero (http://www.shelbysupercars.com/ultimate-aero.php) I believe that it will make it to production and it will go 275MPH and it will go around corners very very well.
If they built the Tuatara on top of the Ultimate Aero chassis we would already have a winner. In the pictures above Look at it and then look at the McLaren and then look back at it. It is light years ahead as far as design goes and I am great full that SSC are thinking a little outside of the box. Interior is rather odd but we all know what that it will be dumbed down.
If they built the Tuatara on top of the Ultimate Aero chassis we would already have a winner. In the pictures above Look at it and then look at the McLaren and then look back at it. It is light years ahead as far as design goes and I am great full that SSC are thinking a little outside of the box. Interior is rather odd but we all know what that it will be dumbed down.
Carfolio said:
Beefmeister said:
Not really a copy, it's the same designer. The birdcage didn't go anywhere so he sold his design to SSC.
I think this thing looks absolutely stunning -properly futuristic. Interior will probably grow on me, but I just hope that with the amount it'll cost owners will be able to specify that they don't want the name ANYWHERE on the car - outside or in.
Yeah I know it was the same designer, but I'm not certain of the details of the deal done with SSC. The Birdcage 75 was done whilst he was with Pininfarina, as far as I remember, and I'm not sure it was as simple as him being allowed to take his design with him.I think this thing looks absolutely stunning -properly futuristic. Interior will probably grow on me, but I just hope that with the amount it'll cost owners will be able to specify that they don't want the name ANYWHERE on the car - outside or in.
For now, this thing is still clearly vapourware anyway. Let's see if they manage to make it, and if it turns out to be as fast as they claim already. I have doubts, personally.
I really don't like people on automotive related forums keep talking about how one new design is 'copied', 'look like', 'too similar' or 'steeled' from another design. If anybody know anything about main stream automotive design, then people should know how much time, effort, experience, expertises and money goes into a 'simple' design (trust me it's not like fashion or normal product design). If one is too similar to the other in your eye, it might be influenced or inspired by the other. That's how automotive design works. That's the evolution of this industry. Look at the layout of dash board design in recent E and F segments saloons and the surfaces/shut lines between their C pillars and their boots...
loveice said:
I really don't like people on automotive related forums keep talking about how one new design is 'copied', 'look like', 'too similar' or 'steeled' from another design. If anybody know anything about main stream automotive design, then people should know how much time, effort, experience, expertises and money goes into a 'simple' design (trust me it's not like fashion or normal product design). If one is too similar to the other in your eye, it might be influenced or inspired by the other. That's how automotive design works. That's the evolution of this industry. Look at the layout of dash board design in recent E and F segments saloons and the surfaces/shut lines between their C pillars and their boots...
That was interesting, thanks for that! 
loveice said:
Well, legally speaking as long as those two cars are not exactly the same (same curvature, same shut lines, same DLOs...), then nobody can say one copied another. If you think these two cars look the same, then most saloons are the same. Plus, every automotive designer has his/her own style of design in certain segment. That's one of the reason why you can't put any designers in any design studios. Even though they might all be very good designers in their own rights. If you look at Fisker Karma, you can see the influence of DB9. They were done by the same designer. But one is a saloon, the other is a GT coupe. One was designed and built in the US, and the other was all done in the UK. Another example is the latest Saab concept car was also designed by Jason. You can see the Bird Cage elements in it's design, specially its green house and its C pillar. And it's a hatchback. You can't take that a way from the designer. That's one of the reason someone employed him at the first place.
I really don't like people on automotive related forums keep talking about how one new design is 'copied', 'look like', 'too similar' or 'steeled' from another design. If anybody know anything about main stream automotive design, then people should know how much time, effort, experience, expertises and money goes into a 'simple' design (trust me it's not like fashion or normal product design). If one is too similar to the other in your eye, it might be influenced or inspired by the other. That's how automotive design works. That's the evolution of this industry. Look at the layout of dash board design in recent E and F segments saloons and the surfaces/shut lines between their C pillars and their boots...
Your trying to get your point across to people that know nothing about business, nothing about competitive markets. Nothing about product design. Those that understand these points don't make the copy cat comments. I really don't like people on automotive related forums keep talking about how one new design is 'copied', 'look like', 'too similar' or 'steeled' from another design. If anybody know anything about main stream automotive design, then people should know how much time, effort, experience, expertises and money goes into a 'simple' design (trust me it's not like fashion or normal product design). If one is too similar to the other in your eye, it might be influenced or inspired by the other. That's how automotive design works. That's the evolution of this industry. Look at the layout of dash board design in recent E and F segments saloons and the surfaces/shut lines between their C pillars and their boots...
Unfortunately/fortunately this is PH and its full of experts.
The Crack Fox said:
So, unless you're a qualified Automotive designer, you're not allowed an opinion on the styling then ? Just because someone has put a lot of time in we're not allow to say it looks like every other 'coming soon' supercar we'll never see on UK roads ? Riiiight. 
Of course you can. It's just I don't like people accuse something they don't really know about. Don't you think if that's how people react on Pistonheads, then it will be just an automotive version of those celebrity gossip websites/forums?ok - I have a few points that i need to get clarification on
1 - Whats with the insanely large Hazard Lights Button?
2 - Below that - are those 2 for: left and right sidewinders? Afterburners? Activation of "ludicrous Speed" need to add clip(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mk7VWcuVOf0)
1 - Whats with the insanely large Hazard Lights Button?
2 - Below that - are those 2 for: left and right sidewinders? Afterburners? Activation of "ludicrous Speed" need to add clip(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mk7VWcuVOf0)
PistonHeads said:
be despatched to the Nürburgring in an attempt to prove American supercars can do corners as well as big speeds.
What are you talking about? The 4th and 8th fastest cars around the Nurburgring are American cars. Maybe PistonHeads should actually look at what's happening in the real world rather than keeping its head in the sand and pretending it's still the 1980s when "good ol' Blighty" still had a modicum of significance in the car industry. Seriously uninformed and borderline racist dismissal of American cars.loveice said:
Well, legally speaking as long as those two cars are not exactly the same (same curvature, same shut lines, same DLOs...), then nobody can say one copied another. If you think these two cars look the same, then most saloons are the same. Plus, every automotive designer has his/her own style of design in certain segment. That's one of the reason why you can't put any designers in any design studios. Even though they might all be very good designers in their own rights. If you look at Fisker Karma, you can see the influence of DB9. They were done by the same designer. But one is a saloon, the other is a GT coupe. One was designed and built in the US, and the other was all done in the UK. Another example is the latest Saab concept car was also designed by Jason. You can see the Bird Cage elements in it's design, specially its green house and its C pillar. And it's a hatchback. You can't take that a way from the designer. That's one of the reason someone employed him at the first place.
I really don't like people on automotive related forums keep talking about how one new design is 'copied', 'look like', 'too similar' or 'steeled' from another design. If anybody know anything about main stream automotive design, then people should know how much time, effort, experience, expertises and money goes into a 'simple' design (trust me it's not like fashion or normal product design). If one is too similar to the other in your eye, it might be influenced or inspired by the other. That's how automotive design works. That's the evolution of this industry. Look at the layout of dash board design in recent E and F segments saloons and the surfaces/shut lines between their C pillars and their boots...
Calm down, dear. I really don't like people on automotive related forums keep talking about how one new design is 'copied', 'look like', 'too similar' or 'steeled' from another design. If anybody know anything about main stream automotive design, then people should know how much time, effort, experience, expertises and money goes into a 'simple' design (trust me it's not like fashion or normal product design). If one is too similar to the other in your eye, it might be influenced or inspired by the other. That's how automotive design works. That's the evolution of this industry. Look at the layout of dash board design in recent E and F segments saloons and the surfaces/shut lines between their C pillars and their boots...
It's very, very clearly the Maserati Birdcage 75 design reworked, by the same designer, for SSC. It's not really a stretch to call it a copy now, is it?
I am really not usually one for jumping on the X looks like Y bandwagon either, more often than not I am defending designs from exactly that criticism.
Lastly, I can't quite understand what your point is about the Karma being built in the US and the DB9 in the UK but by the same designer. Yes, both statements are true, but what is it you're driving at in bringing that up? Personally, I don't see much similarity between the Karma & the DB9.
blasos said:
What are you talking about? The 4th and 8th fastest cars around the Nurburgring are American cars. Maybe PistonHeads should actually look at what's happening in the real world rather than keeping its head in the sand and pretending it's still the 1980s when "good ol' Blighty" still had a modicum of significance in the car industry. Seriously uninformed and borderline racist dismissal of American cars.
Relax my friend, it's a tongue in cheek remark that has been present in the motor industry for as long as I can remember.Sit back and have a cuppa, it will make you feel better.
Carfolio said:
Calm down, dear.
It's very, very clearly the Maserati Birdcage 75 design reworked, by the same designer, for SSC. It's not really a stretch to call it a copy now, is it?
I am really not usually one for jumping on the X looks like Y bandwagon either, more often than not I am defending designs from exactly that criticism.
Lastly, I can't quite understand what your point is about the Karma being built in the US and the DB9 in the UK but by the same designer. Yes, both statements are true, but what is it you're driving at in bringing that up? Personally, I don't see much similarity between the Karma & the DB9.
Well bugger me then, the latest ford focus is a copy of the Golf, seriously it's a hatch back and has windows too, the jokers didnt think we would notice....pffff It's very, very clearly the Maserati Birdcage 75 design reworked, by the same designer, for SSC. It's not really a stretch to call it a copy now, is it?
I am really not usually one for jumping on the X looks like Y bandwagon either, more often than not I am defending designs from exactly that criticism.
Lastly, I can't quite understand what your point is about the Karma being built in the US and the DB9 in the UK but by the same designer. Yes, both statements are true, but what is it you're driving at in bringing that up? Personally, I don't see much similarity between the Karma & the DB9.
tara ?SSC's previous car, the Ultimate Aero, wasn't much of a looker - cut and shut Diablo to my eyes - but it was, briefly, the world's fastest road car. I never found any road tests that said categorically if it was much good as a driver's car though - anyone help me out here? A while back, Top Gear magazine did a big feature about the Tuatara, that left me with a sneaking admiration for SSC - principally that a relatively tiny operation could come up with something faster than the Bugatti Veyron (a development money pit if ever there was one!). Bugatti / VW then were almost goaded into further development costs in order to get the world record back with the SuperSport. A few more anecdotes I can remember from the article:
- Bugatti set their speed records on VW's private Ehra-Lessien track, with its banking and 5 mile straights. SSC set their speed record on a four mile stretch of public road that was closed for less than 20mins - a road that wasn't quite arrow straight either, with a kink a fair bit down!
- Bugatti employ a tame racing driver (Pierre Henri Raphanel). SSC used a 71 year old man called Chuck Bigelow, who wore a baseball cap rather than a helmet! He also didn't wear a seatbelt...
- My liking for SSC is because of something like this:
"[Jarod] Shelby himself took a car to the Middle East where some local potentates arrived with two Veyrons and commanded the road be closed. It duly was, they duly did a TG-style drag race, and the SSC duly won. Two men ordered SSCs on the spot. The next day they paid. Using cash, pulled out of a Louis Vuitton holdall."
http://www.topgear.com/uk/photos/ssc-new-fastest-c...
- Bugatti set their speed records on VW's private Ehra-Lessien track, with its banking and 5 mile straights. SSC set their speed record on a four mile stretch of public road that was closed for less than 20mins - a road that wasn't quite arrow straight either, with a kink a fair bit down!
- Bugatti employ a tame racing driver (Pierre Henri Raphanel). SSC used a 71 year old man called Chuck Bigelow, who wore a baseball cap rather than a helmet! He also didn't wear a seatbelt...
- My liking for SSC is because of something like this:
"[Jarod] Shelby himself took a car to the Middle East where some local potentates arrived with two Veyrons and commanded the road be closed. It duly was, they duly did a TG-style drag race, and the SSC duly won. Two men ordered SSCs on the spot. The next day they paid. Using cash, pulled out of a Louis Vuitton holdall."
http://www.topgear.com/uk/photos/ssc-new-fastest-c...
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