RE: TVR: Back in business (there's even a website)

[900T-R]

Ahhh, in the end he's still fighting against with windmills I suppose...

[Tvr Power]

DonkeyApple said:

Tvr Power said:

El Shafto said:

Has anyone been on the 'reborn' section of this website lately?It makes scary reading, I quote - "currently in development: new Cerbera with 480 lb/ft Diesel engine drive train. This car will have enormous performance as you expect from TVR at a budget fuel consumption"....Say it ain't so? A Diesel TVR?!?!?!?

It was never going to happen at Tvr Power thats for sure !

Dom

What's the story behind the 'new' Tuscan that Str8Six have recently acquired?

Whatever TVRs are out there just remember these cars were actually part built with allocated chassis numbers in 2005 which allows you to register "New"

Dom

[Tvr Power]

900T-R said:

Ahhh, in the end he's still fighting against with windmills I suppose...

Wind and Piss comes to mind

Dom

[LukeSi]

When I win £100 something million on the euromillions I will revive TVR as it should be done, utterly mental cars which pollute the environment, makes lots of noise and scare small children

[Tvr Power]

LukeSi said:

When I win £100 something million on the euromillions I will revive TVR as it should be done, utterly mental cars which pollute the environment, makes lots of noise and scare small children

You got it in "ONE"

Dom

[900T-R]

Tvr Power said:

Wind and Piss comes to mind

Dom

[DonkeyApple]

Tvr Power said:

DonkeyApple said:

Tvr Power said:

El Shafto said:

Has anyone been on the 'reborn' section of this website lately?It makes scary reading, I quote - "currently in development: new Cerbera with 480 lb/ft Diesel engine drive train. This car will have enormous performance as you expect from TVR at a budget fuel consumption"....Say it ain't so? A Diesel TVR?!?!?!?

It was never going to happen at Tvr Power thats for sure !

Dom

What's the story behind the 'new' Tuscan that Str8Six have recently acquired?

Whatever TVRs are out there just remember these cars were actually part built with allocated chassis numbers in 2005 which allows you to register "New"

Dom

The salesman said it had been built by the ill-fated recent venture by NS. Was an LS conversion etc.

[900T-R]

LukeSi said:

When I win £100 something million on the euromillions I will revive TVR as it should be done, utterly mental cars which pollute the environment, makes lots of noise and scare small children

Same here... the rich plutocrat bd lifestyle isn't so alluring when you can do something genuinely exciting with the money... worked for PW alright

[Tvr Power]

DonkeyApple said:

Tvr Power said:

DonkeyApple said:

Tvr Power said:

El Shafto said:

Has anyone been on the 'reborn' section of this website lately?It makes scary reading, I quote - "currently in development: new Cerbera with 480 lb/ft Diesel engine drive train. This car will have enormous performance as you expect from TVR at a budget fuel consumption"....Say it ain't so? A Diesel TVR?!?!?!?

It was never going to happen at Tvr Power thats for sure !

Dom

What's the story behind the 'new' Tuscan that Str8Six have recently acquired?

Whatever TVRs are out there just remember these cars were actually part built with allocated chassis numbers in 2005 which allows you to register "New"

Dom

The salesman said it had been built by the ill-fated recent venture by NS. Was an LS conversion etc.

Yawn Yawn

Dom

[DonkeyApple]

Tvr Power said:

DonkeyApple said:

Tvr Power said:

DonkeyApple said:

Tvr Power said:

El Shafto said:

Has anyone been on the 'reborn' section of this website lately?It makes scary reading, I quote - "currently in development: new Cerbera with 480 lb/ft Diesel engine drive train. This car will have enormous performance as you expect from TVR at a budget fuel consumption"....Say it ain't so? A Diesel TVR?!?!?!?

It was never going to happen at Tvr Power thats for sure !

Dom

What's the story behind the 'new' Tuscan that Str8Six have recently acquired?

Whatever TVRs are out there just remember these cars were actually part built with allocated chassis numbers in 2005 which allows you to register "New"

Dom

The salesman said it had been built by the ill-fated recent venture by NS. Was an LS conversion etc.

Yawn Yawn

Dom

?

I thought you might be able to shed some light on the car, whether it was new or an old shell and whether it was an NS creation?

[unrepentant]

There was a thread a couple of years back about Carmel Motorsports of Indianapolis re-manufacturing Saggy's and Tuscan's in the USA with American V8's. Nothing came of it and CM are actually out of business now and the company that I work for purchased their building a while back. It's currently being used to sell Indiana built Think electric cars!

As Dom said - Piss and Wind, like everything to do with TVR since Smolenski came along.

[DonkeyApple]

unrepentant said:

There was a thread a couple of years back about Carmel Motorsports of Indianapolis re-manufacturing Saggy's and Tuscan's in the USA with American V8's. Nothing came of it and CM are actually out of business now and the company that I work for purchased their building a while back. It's currently being used to sell Indiana built Think electric cars!

As Dom said - Piss and Wind, like everything to do with TVR since Smolenski came along.

Cheers. I've been taking that advice for a few years now.

This was only a few weeks ago at TiTT and i was catching up with Chas and he mentioned that they'd just taken delivery of a new Tuscan from the recent NS venture.

It was 5am so I'm not necessarily sure of the details.

[billzeebub]

TVRs would sell like the proverbial Hot Cake if they were owned by a company prepared to back the core brand values and go for the Tiger markets of China etc. Designed and built in Britain , the JLR ethos. It is such a shame that Smollensky st has the keys..if the brand is ever rescued the shine will be taken off by the thought of how much he will have made out of it!..

[LukeSi]

One thing I would do is develop the Speed Six further, make it the engine it should have been originally (and now is after most have been rebuilt at least once). However there would be some V8 cars and all models would be available with either the developed Speed Six or a developed AJP8 (or an LSx engine if you wished).

[JonRB]

LukeSi said:

One thing I would do is develop the Speed Six further, make it the engine it should have been originally

How would you improve it beyond what Racing Green, TVR Power and Str8Six have already achieved, Luke?

[900T-R]

I think 'make it comply with Euro 6 standards' should be in the brief somewhere or the resurrection would be particularly short-lived

[JonRB]

900T-R said:

I think 'make it comply with Euro 6 standards' should be in the brief somewhere or the resurrection would be particularly short-lived

Depends if they would be looking for full Euro Type Approval or not.

[Don1]

Personally I'd target the Far East market - that's where the money and lack of regulations are.

[900T-R]

Problem is that over there they don't want sports cars as we know them. They want opulence and technology. Manual gearboxes are considered 'old fashioned/cheap' - why do something yourself when a piece of technology can do it for you?

With that mindset you can see why TVR would struggle a bit...

[DonkeyApple]

900T-R said:

Problem is that over there they don't want sports cars as we know them. They want opulence and technology. Manual gearboxes are considered 'old fashioned/cheap' - why do something yourself when a piece of technology can do it for you?

With that mindset you can see why TVR would struggle a bit...

Yup. You could only sell a TVR in numbers outside of the UK if the said car made absolutely no resemblence to the ethos and character of TVR as we know it.

So, if you want a 'TVR' then essentially the UK is your primary market by a long margin. With the UK being bust and those with money to spend not wanting cars like TVRs it is hard to see any form of business model for retail sales at all.

Common sense would dictate that the only part which may be viable would be to set up very small and simple and form your business around the history of the Tuscan Challenge and build a new series and cars for it. From there you re-build your presence and look to road cars in the distant future should the market evolve again and there arises significant demand for this type of car. Any other way would see you trying to create the market for your product rather than suppling an existing market and that is madness in all but the maturing stages of an economic boom.