RE: Video: BMW M5 in Blighty
Discussion
Ollieb7 said:
Great, but you would need your head examined to spend circa 90k on this with the Knowledge that in 5 odd years it will only be worth £16K (re Autocar mag a few weeks back)..
The chances are people who can afford to spend £90K on a car have their heads screwed on much better than the rest of us 
Cannot wait to get my hands on one in 3-4 years time!!
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The chances are people who can afford to spend £90K on a car have their heads screwed on much better than the rest of us
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Ain't that a fact! Good on them.
Without these new owners I could not have indulged or justified many of the cars I have owned, especially in the last ten years or so.
The chances are people who can afford to spend £90K on a car have their heads screwed on much better than the rest of us
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Ain't that a fact! Good on them.
Without these new owners I could not have indulged or justified many of the cars I have owned, especially in the last ten years or so.
Matt UK said:
I think we all know that running a secondhand car is cheaper than new, but thanks for the info... Also, if everyone tried to do that though the whole used-car market model sort of falls apart...
Buy used and you might now get one in the spec you want. With the miles on the clock you want. At the time you want it. Or to drive it away as 'your brand new car'. Or to enjoy a full warranty period and the support / experience a dealer gives you when you buy a new car from them.
Both your posts make it clear you would not want to stump for these costs - fine, your call.
But there are plenty who can afford it and who do.
For you to pass judgement that they need their heads read to make such a decision to buy a new performance car, just seems a bit, well, odd.
+1Buy used and you might now get one in the spec you want. With the miles on the clock you want. At the time you want it. Or to drive it away as 'your brand new car'. Or to enjoy a full warranty period and the support / experience a dealer gives you when you buy a new car from them.
Both your posts make it clear you would not want to stump for these costs - fine, your call.
But there are plenty who can afford it and who do.
For you to pass judgement that they need their heads read to make such a decision to buy a new performance car, just seems a bit, well, odd.
People need to buy the car new for there to be a second hand market.
Also, lots of talk about £90K. The list price is £73K and pretty well specced. I would probably add £4-5K of extras to get the spec I would like. From everything I read, that doesn't seem an outrageous amount and I'm sure it's not much different in price to a similar spec RS6 or E63 AMG.
BoostMonkey said:
loudlashadjuster said:
Sad but true.
http://cap.org.uk/The-Codes/BCAP-Code/BCAP-TV-Code...
It's always a shock when you watch car ads in countries like the US where they are still allowed to show things like taking a corner at any kind of speed which makes the body roll. UK rules are pathetic.
Wow they are strict:http://cap.org.uk/The-Codes/BCAP-Code/BCAP-TV-Code...
It's always a shock when you watch car ads in countries like the US where they are still allowed to show things like taking a corner at any kind of speed which makes the body roll. UK rules are pathetic.
"There should be no suggestion that competitive sport has been used in the development of increased power, speed etc in road cars (eg ‘race-bred engines’) but references to other improvements, such as reliability, in that context are harmless."
So basically driving a car(Vehical) should not be enjoyable, satisfying, or even the most naughty word "FUN".....
Time to look out the green ink.
Advertisements for cars, motorbikes or other automotive products must not:
.....
c) demonstrate power, acceleration, handling characteristics etc except in a clear context of safety. Any references to such characteristics must not imply excitement or competitiveness.
!!! how dull. A car advert isnt allowed to make the car look exciting - strikes me as a bit out of touch with reality.
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c) demonstrate power, acceleration, handling characteristics etc except in a clear context of safety. Any references to such characteristics must not imply excitement or competitiveness.
!!! how dull. A car advert isnt allowed to make the car look exciting - strikes me as a bit out of touch with reality. A friend was at Pendine Sands a few of weeks ago and someone was filimg something there with white new M5s.
I am not getting this car at all. Perhaps it's the styling. Even if I had the wealth to buy one without worrying about the price, it's just not doing anything for me. Even without the two M history lessons in CAR magazine this year I'd find countless older BMWs more interesting than this one.
I am not getting this car at all. Perhaps it's the styling. Even if I had the wealth to buy one without worrying about the price, it's just not doing anything for me. Even without the two M history lessons in CAR magazine this year I'd find countless older BMWs more interesting than this one.
Meh...
given that I used to run an M5 and an M6 and was a very big fan of both (more so the M6) I really want to be enthusiastic about this but I struggle...
Also 8.7sec 0-100?
timed my M6 doing 8.9 at Milbrook, so a bit disappointed with that figure to be honest.
Looks very lardy and at least on paper very compromised. I find that the Merc comparison in the article hits the nail right on the head.
given that I used to run an M5 and an M6 and was a very big fan of both (more so the M6) I really want to be enthusiastic about this but I struggle...
Also 8.7sec 0-100?
timed my M6 doing 8.9 at Milbrook, so a bit disappointed with that figure to be honest.
Looks very lardy and at least on paper very compromised. I find that the Merc comparison in the article hits the nail right on the head.
parki11 said:
Advertisements for cars, motorbikes or other automotive products must not:
.....
c) demonstrate power, acceleration, handling characteristics etc except in a clear context of safety. Any references to such characteristics must not imply excitement or competitiveness.
!!! how dull. A car advert isnt allowed to make the car look exciting - strikes me as a bit out of touch with reality.
agreed, not all car's are built for shopping and school runs......
c) demonstrate power, acceleration, handling characteristics etc except in a clear context of safety. Any references to such characteristics must not imply excitement or competitiveness.
!!! how dull. A car advert isnt allowed to make the car look exciting - strikes me as a bit out of touch with reality. Is this a recent development does anyone know?
For those bleating on about weight, etc etc, well, they've not really got the point of an M5.
The M5 isnt meant to be a lightweight Elise of a car. It's meant to be the ultimate ruler of Das Autobahn. It's meant to be the last bastion in refined speed whilst having a curious ability to lift it's skirt and do things that it really shouldn't be able to.
In short, the M5 embodies the term: "Speak softly and carry a big stick"
The M5 can do things that massively belies it's weight; it can get itself down a back road far far quicker than many supercars expect, and can carry obscene amounts of speed through corners due to nothing more than incredible chassis, tyres and damping.
Add in the mix to stick it's arse out and allow you to choose the angle of which you wish to dangle, and do this in an environment of refinement and luxury is why many regard the M5 as one of the ultimate 'if you had one car only' cars.
For many, the E39 M5 was the last real M5, with myself, Lord Bristol and Stig of the North all agreed that 'they hit the bulleye with that one'. The V10 engine, whilst a masterpiece of brilliance, moved away slightly from the GT aspect of the car; short fuel range and frankly bonkers fuel thirst meant that it was a 10/10ths attack car, not a relaxed bruiser.
It seems that the latest M5 is more of a return back to the ethos of the E39 M5, oodles of torque, giving the ability to simply let 4th, 5th or 6th do the talking - or do a bit of cog swapping and you hit the upper reaches of the rev range, and hyperspace mode is engaged.
Sure, the E39 M5 isn't fast on paper any more, but drive one, or indeed any other M5, and there's a degree of thoroughbredness in the way it feels, the way it goes about delivering you to your intended destination, that is what the M5 is all about.
To take it to the track would be at odds with it's design; to drive it up the Autobahn, and to the fast sweeping bends of the Eifel, and then a lap of the ring, for instance, and let rip, is what it is all about.
Sure, there are perhaps slightly more comfortable cars that would get you there, Alpina's perhaps, or more focused cars, 996 GT3 for instance, but you'll not get the all of the abilities of the M5 in one package.
Yes, you might lose money; any new car will, especially with a big engine. However, by god, will you smile every morning when you look out to the drive and see it - you'll know when you see the M5 badge just what you have.
To quote a fellow M5 (previous owner): Just knowing it's there, and that you own an M5, is a thrill itself.
That you can buy a good one for £10k is even better. Any petrolhead should try one in it's proper environment just once. The ability to take sweeping autobahn bends at over 170mph in utter stability and damped wonder is something that no other car can match.
Therein ends my sermon Brothers.
The M5 isnt meant to be a lightweight Elise of a car. It's meant to be the ultimate ruler of Das Autobahn. It's meant to be the last bastion in refined speed whilst having a curious ability to lift it's skirt and do things that it really shouldn't be able to.
In short, the M5 embodies the term: "Speak softly and carry a big stick"
The M5 can do things that massively belies it's weight; it can get itself down a back road far far quicker than many supercars expect, and can carry obscene amounts of speed through corners due to nothing more than incredible chassis, tyres and damping.
Add in the mix to stick it's arse out and allow you to choose the angle of which you wish to dangle, and do this in an environment of refinement and luxury is why many regard the M5 as one of the ultimate 'if you had one car only' cars.
For many, the E39 M5 was the last real M5, with myself, Lord Bristol and Stig of the North all agreed that 'they hit the bulleye with that one'. The V10 engine, whilst a masterpiece of brilliance, moved away slightly from the GT aspect of the car; short fuel range and frankly bonkers fuel thirst meant that it was a 10/10ths attack car, not a relaxed bruiser.
It seems that the latest M5 is more of a return back to the ethos of the E39 M5, oodles of torque, giving the ability to simply let 4th, 5th or 6th do the talking - or do a bit of cog swapping and you hit the upper reaches of the rev range, and hyperspace mode is engaged.
Sure, the E39 M5 isn't fast on paper any more, but drive one, or indeed any other M5, and there's a degree of thoroughbredness in the way it feels, the way it goes about delivering you to your intended destination, that is what the M5 is all about.
To take it to the track would be at odds with it's design; to drive it up the Autobahn, and to the fast sweeping bends of the Eifel, and then a lap of the ring, for instance, and let rip, is what it is all about.
Sure, there are perhaps slightly more comfortable cars that would get you there, Alpina's perhaps, or more focused cars, 996 GT3 for instance, but you'll not get the all of the abilities of the M5 in one package.
Yes, you might lose money; any new car will, especially with a big engine. However, by god, will you smile every morning when you look out to the drive and see it - you'll know when you see the M5 badge just what you have.
To quote a fellow M5 (previous owner): Just knowing it's there, and that you own an M5, is a thrill itself.
That you can buy a good one for £10k is even better. Any petrolhead should try one in it's proper environment just once. The ability to take sweeping autobahn bends at over 170mph in utter stability and damped wonder is something that no other car can match.
Therein ends my sermon Brothers.
isee said:
Meh...
given that I used to run an M5 and an M6 and was a very big fan of both (more so the M6) I really want to be enthusiastic about this but I struggle...
Also 8.7sec 0-100?
timed my M6 doing 8.9 at Milbrook, so a bit disappointed with that figure to be honest.
Looks very lardy and at least on paper very compromised. I find that the Merc comparison in the article hits the nail right on the head.
E60 M5 does it in 9.2 so it's a bit fastergiven that I used to run an M5 and an M6 and was a very big fan of both (more so the M6) I really want to be enthusiastic about this but I struggle...
Also 8.7sec 0-100?
timed my M6 doing 8.9 at Milbrook, so a bit disappointed with that figure to be honest.
Looks very lardy and at least on paper very compromised. I find that the Merc comparison in the article hits the nail right on the head.
Fox- said:
I can think of nobody on this forum - nobody, with all the expensive, exotic cars people have - who I envy more than you. Owning an E39 M5 from brand new for 10 years. Just absolutely epic. Do you have any photos of the car?
It's a;most 11 years old now! Full main dealer service history, always garaged, and because it is a "family car" it hasn't been thrashed. It still drives like new and is in near perfect condition. 
neil_bolton said:
For those bleating on about weight, etc etc, well, they've not really got the point of an M5.
The M5 isnt meant to be a lightweight Elise of a car. It's meant to be the ultimate ruler of Das Autobahn. It's meant to be the last bastion in refined speed whilst having a curious ability to lift it's skirt and do things that it really shouldn't be able to.
In short, the M5 embodies the term: "Speak softly and carry a big stick"
The M5 can do things that massively belies it's weight; it can get itself down a back road far far quicker than many supercars expect, and can carry obscene amounts of speed through corners due to nothing more than incredible chassis, tyres and damping.
Add in the mix to stick it's arse out and allow you to choose the angle of which you wish to dangle, and do this in an environment of refinement and luxury is why many regard the M5 as one of the ultimate 'if you had one car only' cars.
For many, the E39 M5 was the last real M5, with myself, Lord Bristol and Stig of the North all agreed that 'they hit the bulleye with that one'. The V10 engine, whilst a masterpiece of brilliance, moved away slightly from the GT aspect of the car; short fuel range and frankly bonkers fuel thirst meant that it was a 10/10ths attack car, not a relaxed bruiser.
It seems that the latest M5 is more of a return back to the ethos of the E39 M5, oodles of torque, giving the ability to simply let 4th, 5th or 6th do the talking - or do a bit of cog swapping and you hit the upper reaches of the rev range, and hyperspace mode is engaged.
Sure, the E39 M5 isn't fast on paper any more, but drive one, or indeed any other M5, and there's a degree of thoroughbredness in the way it feels, the way it goes about delivering you to your intended destination, that is what the M5 is all about.
To take it to the track would be at odds with it's design; to drive it up the Autobahn, and to the fast sweeping bends of the Eifel, and then a lap of the ring, for instance, and let rip, is what it is all about.
Sure, there are perhaps slightly more comfortable cars that would get you there, Alpina's perhaps, or more focused cars, 996 GT3 for instance, but you'll not get the all of the abilities of the M5 in one package.
Yes, you might lose money; any new car will, especially with a big engine. However, by god, will you smile every morning when you look out to the drive and see it - you'll know when you see the M5 badge just what you have.
To quote a fellow M5 (previous owner): Just knowing it's there, and that you own an M5, is a thrill itself.
That you can buy a good one for £10k is even better. Any petrolhead should try one in it's proper environment just once. The ability to take sweeping autobahn bends at over 170mph in utter stability and damped wonder is something that no other car can match.
Therein ends my sermon Brothers.
Nicely put, thank you (although I can doodle happily in my V10.....just not cheaply!)The M5 isnt meant to be a lightweight Elise of a car. It's meant to be the ultimate ruler of Das Autobahn. It's meant to be the last bastion in refined speed whilst having a curious ability to lift it's skirt and do things that it really shouldn't be able to.
In short, the M5 embodies the term: "Speak softly and carry a big stick"
The M5 can do things that massively belies it's weight; it can get itself down a back road far far quicker than many supercars expect, and can carry obscene amounts of speed through corners due to nothing more than incredible chassis, tyres and damping.
Add in the mix to stick it's arse out and allow you to choose the angle of which you wish to dangle, and do this in an environment of refinement and luxury is why many regard the M5 as one of the ultimate 'if you had one car only' cars.
For many, the E39 M5 was the last real M5, with myself, Lord Bristol and Stig of the North all agreed that 'they hit the bulleye with that one'. The V10 engine, whilst a masterpiece of brilliance, moved away slightly from the GT aspect of the car; short fuel range and frankly bonkers fuel thirst meant that it was a 10/10ths attack car, not a relaxed bruiser.
It seems that the latest M5 is more of a return back to the ethos of the E39 M5, oodles of torque, giving the ability to simply let 4th, 5th or 6th do the talking - or do a bit of cog swapping and you hit the upper reaches of the rev range, and hyperspace mode is engaged.
Sure, the E39 M5 isn't fast on paper any more, but drive one, or indeed any other M5, and there's a degree of thoroughbredness in the way it feels, the way it goes about delivering you to your intended destination, that is what the M5 is all about.
To take it to the track would be at odds with it's design; to drive it up the Autobahn, and to the fast sweeping bends of the Eifel, and then a lap of the ring, for instance, and let rip, is what it is all about.
Sure, there are perhaps slightly more comfortable cars that would get you there, Alpina's perhaps, or more focused cars, 996 GT3 for instance, but you'll not get the all of the abilities of the M5 in one package.
Yes, you might lose money; any new car will, especially with a big engine. However, by god, will you smile every morning when you look out to the drive and see it - you'll know when you see the M5 badge just what you have.
To quote a fellow M5 (previous owner): Just knowing it's there, and that you own an M5, is a thrill itself.
That you can buy a good one for £10k is even better. Any petrolhead should try one in it's proper environment just once. The ability to take sweeping autobahn bends at over 170mph in utter stability and damped wonder is something that no other car can match.
Therein ends my sermon Brothers.
Pete996 said:
It's a;most 11 years old now! Full main dealer service history, always garaged, and because it is a "family car" it hasn't been thrashed. It still drives like new and is in near perfect condition.
mines exactly the same; albiet it gets a bit thrashed (once warmed) - just how they were designed to be 
neil_bolton said:
For those bleating on about weight, etc etc, well, they've not really got the point of an M5.
The M5 isnt meant to be a lightweight Elise of a car. It's meant to be the ultimate ruler of Das Autobahn. It's meant to be the last bastion in refined speed whilst having a curious ability to lift it's skirt and do things that it really shouldn't be able to.
In short, the M5 embodies the term: "Speak softly and carry a big stick"
The M5 can do things that massively belies it's weight; it can get itself down a back road far far quicker than many supercars expect, and can carry obscene amounts of speed through corners due to nothing more than incredible chassis, tyres and damping.
Add in the mix to stick it's arse out and allow you to choose the angle of which you wish to dangle, and do this in an environment of refinement and luxury is why many regard the M5 as one of the ultimate 'if you had one car only' cars.
For many, the E39 M5 was the last real M5, with myself, Lord Bristol and Stig of the North all agreed that 'they hit the bulleye with that one'. The V10 engine, whilst a masterpiece of brilliance, moved away slightly from the GT aspect of the car; short fuel range and frankly bonkers fuel thirst meant that it was a 10/10ths attack car, not a relaxed bruiser.
It seems that the latest M5 is more of a return back to the ethos of the E39 M5, oodles of torque, giving the ability to simply let 4th, 5th or 6th do the talking - or do a bit of cog swapping and you hit the upper reaches of the rev range, and hyperspace mode is engaged.
Sure, the E39 M5 isn't fast on paper any more, but drive one, or indeed any other M5, and there's a degree of thoroughbredness in the way it feels, the way it goes about delivering you to your intended destination, that is what the M5 is all about.
To take it to the track would be at odds with it's design; to drive it up the Autobahn, and to the fast sweeping bends of the Eifel, and then a lap of the ring, for instance, and let rip, is what it is all about.
Sure, there are perhaps slightly more comfortable cars that would get you there, Alpina's perhaps, or more focused cars, 996 GT3 for instance, but you'll not get the all of the abilities of the M5 in one package.
Yes, you might lose money; any new car will, especially with a big engine. However, by god, will you smile every morning when you look out to the drive and see it - you'll know when you see the M5 badge just what you have.
To quote a fellow M5 (previous owner): Just knowing it's there, and that you own an M5, is a thrill itself.
That you can buy a good one for £10k is even better. Any petrolhead should try one in it's proper environment just once. The ability to take sweeping autobahn bends at over 170mph in utter stability and damped wonder is something that no other car can match.
Therein ends my sermon Brothers.
Amen. Couldn't have put it better. Still love my M5 after 11 years. But I am seriously impressed with what I read about the latest one.The M5 isnt meant to be a lightweight Elise of a car. It's meant to be the ultimate ruler of Das Autobahn. It's meant to be the last bastion in refined speed whilst having a curious ability to lift it's skirt and do things that it really shouldn't be able to.
In short, the M5 embodies the term: "Speak softly and carry a big stick"
The M5 can do things that massively belies it's weight; it can get itself down a back road far far quicker than many supercars expect, and can carry obscene amounts of speed through corners due to nothing more than incredible chassis, tyres and damping.
Add in the mix to stick it's arse out and allow you to choose the angle of which you wish to dangle, and do this in an environment of refinement and luxury is why many regard the M5 as one of the ultimate 'if you had one car only' cars.
For many, the E39 M5 was the last real M5, with myself, Lord Bristol and Stig of the North all agreed that 'they hit the bulleye with that one'. The V10 engine, whilst a masterpiece of brilliance, moved away slightly from the GT aspect of the car; short fuel range and frankly bonkers fuel thirst meant that it was a 10/10ths attack car, not a relaxed bruiser.
It seems that the latest M5 is more of a return back to the ethos of the E39 M5, oodles of torque, giving the ability to simply let 4th, 5th or 6th do the talking - or do a bit of cog swapping and you hit the upper reaches of the rev range, and hyperspace mode is engaged.
Sure, the E39 M5 isn't fast on paper any more, but drive one, or indeed any other M5, and there's a degree of thoroughbredness in the way it feels, the way it goes about delivering you to your intended destination, that is what the M5 is all about.
To take it to the track would be at odds with it's design; to drive it up the Autobahn, and to the fast sweeping bends of the Eifel, and then a lap of the ring, for instance, and let rip, is what it is all about.
Sure, there are perhaps slightly more comfortable cars that would get you there, Alpina's perhaps, or more focused cars, 996 GT3 for instance, but you'll not get the all of the abilities of the M5 in one package.
Yes, you might lose money; any new car will, especially with a big engine. However, by god, will you smile every morning when you look out to the drive and see it - you'll know when you see the M5 badge just what you have.
To quote a fellow M5 (previous owner): Just knowing it's there, and that you own an M5, is a thrill itself.
That you can buy a good one for £10k is even better. Any petrolhead should try one in it's proper environment just once. The ability to take sweeping autobahn bends at over 170mph in utter stability and damped wonder is something that no other car can match.
Therein ends my sermon Brothers.
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