RE: VW's R brand: we're going for diesel and 4WD

[Oddball RS]

StottyZr said:

80sboy said:

Just look at the latest twin turbo diesels on the market. You'd barely even know that the 535d/335d was a diesel, at all. People even compare the power delivery from the 123d to a larger naturally aspirated engine.

This statement is certain to cause an arguement!

Out of interest, would you be able to fish up any graphs to show the similarities? I genuinly don't know how the torque curves compare!

One thing i have noticed with the uber fast diesels these days, you struggle to get 40 to the gallon out of any of them, no matter what the marketing blurb says.

[80sboy]

StottyZr said:

80sboy said:

Just look at the latest twin turbo diesels on the market. You'd barely even know that the 535d/335d was a diesel, at all. People even compare the power delivery from the 123d to a larger naturally aspirated engine.

This statement is certain to cause an arguement!

Out of interest, would you be able to fish up any graphs to show the similarities? I genuinly don't know how the torque curves compare!

I don't have any graphs, Google will probably know! Superchips usually have pre/post map dyno graphs on their website.

My comparisons are based on driver experience rather than data.

[Lebigmac]

nothing beats a chipped 335d ...

[otolith]

I can't think of much more irrelevant to me than a high performance four wheel drive diesel Golf. How to make losing your licence as little fun as possible.

[80sboy]

Oddball RS said:

StottyZr said:

80sboy said:

Just look at the latest twin turbo diesels on the market. You'd barely even know that the 535d/335d was a diesel, at all. People even compare the power delivery from the 123d to a larger naturally aspirated engine.

This statement is certain to cause an arguement!

Out of interest, would you be able to fish up any graphs to show the similarities? I genuinly don't know how the torque curves compare!

One thing i have noticed with the uber fast diesels these days, you struggle to get 40 to the gallon out of any of them, no matter what the marketing blurb says.

My Brother owns a 2007 535d. He can easily get into the high 40mpg's. It depends how it's driven, obviously.

I average 42mpg with very mixed motoring in my 220bhp 320d. I can get 48 on a run, pretty easily.

I don't know of many similar petrol motors that'll achieve those figures.

[alock]

tomv1to said:

Although if they shoehorned one of the V8 Diesels from an Audi into an AWD Golf, well, I'd be all for that.

It has to be about time they used their twin turbo 180bhp diesel from their van range. With a little bit of a tweak it will easily match the 123d on paper.

[StottyZr]

80sboy said:

Oddball RS said:

StottyZr said:

80sboy said:

Just look at the latest twin turbo diesels on the market. You'd barely even know that the 535d/335d was a diesel, at all. People even compare the power delivery from the 123d to a larger naturally aspirated engine.

This statement is certain to cause an arguement!

Out of interest, would you be able to fish up any graphs to show the similarities? I genuinly don't know how the torque curves compare!

One thing i have noticed with the uber fast diesels these days, you struggle to get 40 to the gallon out of any of them, no matter what the marketing blurb says.

My Brother owns a 2007 535d. He can easily get into the high 40mpg's. It depends how it's driven, obviously.

I average 42mpg with very mixed motoring in my 220bhp 320d. I can get 48 on a run, pretty easily.

I don't know of many similar petrol motors that'll achieve those figures.

I own a 123d and this tank is doing 49.5mpg right now.

[AntJD]

Weight saving - Good
4 Wheel drive - Good
Diesel engine - ???? We all know diesels can perform very well but why bother? If you want an economical car buy a normal diesel Golf but if you want a sporty Golf you should be willing to give up a few MPG for some extra MPH!

[StottyZr]

AntJD said:

Weight saving - Good
4 Wheel drive - Good
Diesel engine - ???? We all know diesels can perform very well but why bother? If you want an economical car buy a normal diesel Golf but if you want a sporty Golf you should be willing to give up a few MPG for some extra MPH!

Why not have the best of both?

[YAHOO]

Diesel is the Devil ...... Sorry

Just the noise and that optional driver appeal , what's it called

D..U..L..L ..Dull .

I've owned 535d A6 tdi and E320CDI I just don't get it .
Saying that ML420CDI was ok but its a jeep .
Back to Petrol

[Mr Gear]

VW are saying lightweight is better than hybrid... not surprising since they don't have a clue how to make a car that can compete with the Japs when it comes to hybrid.

Nothing wrong with a diesel Golf of course, but they are kidding only themselves when they say this is their chosen direction... their hand has been forced.

[Lefty]

YAHOO said:

Diesel is the Devil ...... Sorry

Just the noise and that optional driver appeal , what's it called

D..U..L..L ..Dull .

I've owned 535d A6 tdi and E320CDI I just don't get it .
Saying that ML420CDI was ok but its a jeep .
Back to Petrol

If you hate diesels so much why do you keep buying them?

And you sure your ML420 is a jeep and not a Benz?

[Escort Si-130]

I never took the VW 'R' badge serious, now they have made it a comical joke. The same manor in which they took the piss out of the GTI badge by milking it in the 90's and early 2000's with many different engine GTI models, then the diesel version. They soon saw sense and had just the single model and put the diesel one rightly with a different badge, being just GT.

A diesel Golf R would sound crap. lack the soul of a petrol engined model. RIP R32, even hearing one this week pull out from a roundabout it really turned me in a way by the sweet sound of that engine note.

[stuart-b]

"Pulls all the way to 5,000"....

Listen to yourselves... that's when a Petrol starts to get fun!

[Escort Si-130]

So what, who cares. Not a mpg chaser. Judging by the way things are going, the amount diesel is over petrol now, give it a few years when more people go diesel, it would be cheaper to use petrol as diesel would cost far dearer than petrol.

80sboy said:

My Brother owns a 2007 535d. He can easily get into the high 40mpg's. It depends how it's driven, obviously.

I average 42mpg with very mixed motoring in my 220bhp 320d. I can get 48 on a run, pretty easily.

I don't know of many similar petrol motors that'll achieve those figures.

[anonymous-user]

StottyZr said:

AntJD said:

Weight saving - Good
4 Wheel drive - Good
Diesel engine - ???? We all know diesels can perform very well but why bother? If you want an economical car buy a normal diesel Golf but if you want a sporty Golf you should be willing to give up a few MPG for some extra MPH!

Why not have the best of both?

Here comes the overly defensive diesel drivers!

[80sboy]

stuart-b said:

"Pulls all the way to 5,000"....

Listen to yourselves... that's when a Petrol starts to get fun!

It was meant relatively. It pulls pretty linearly from 1500 to 5000... for an older tech diesel, it's pretty good. Compared to diesels of a few years ago that pulled from 2000-2100rpm... terrible.

My point is that some diesels are excellent now. Give it a few years and they'll be smoother, more responsive, more linear, more powerful, rev higher, and be more fun to drive.

I'm not being overly defensive over diesel and I'm not a derv head. I just got rid of a BMW straight six petrol and LOVED it.

I'm not a MPG chaser either, but with the prices of fuel and the benefits of an economical diesel... it's the future. For now.

Edited by 80sboy on Wednesday 23 November 12:28

[StottyZr]

St John Smythe said:

StottyZr said:

AntJD said:

Weight saving - Good
4 Wheel drive - Good
Diesel engine - ???? We all know diesels can perform very well but why bother? If you want an economical car buy a normal diesel Golf but if you want a sporty Golf you should be willing to give up a few MPG for some extra MPH!

Why not have the best of both?

Here comes the overly defensive diesel drivers!

It was a genuine question, non rhetorical. The only downside I can see is the ste noise

[Superhoop]

Mr Gear said:

VW are saying lightweight is better than hybrid... not surprising since they don't have a clue how to make a car that can compete with the Japs when it comes to hybrid.

Nothing wrong with a diesel Golf of course, but they are kidding only themselves when they say this is their chosen direction... their hand has been forced.

It's not just VW though. One of the Japanese brands are saying the exact same thing, and they're set to combine light weight with new a new engine line up next year - they don't expect to need a hybrid in their range for a good few years yet.

Their first car using a light weight (or gram strategy as they call it) was launched in 2005

The great news in all of this - light weight means better drivers cars

[Gary C]

"The future is diesel and all-wheel-drive."

What a knob.