RE: VW's R brand: we're going for diesel and 4WD

[bodhi]

I'm not really sure where to start? You spend half your post drivelling on about how great your tractor engine is with all its lovely torque and how its faster than just about everything, then start accusing me of trying to justify my decision? Bit of pot and kettle in action there?

Anyway having owned 3 mk3 Golf's now I'm not in a hurry to have another, mainly as they cost more to run than the 328, with insurance, maintenance and fuel taken into account, plus were nowhere near as comfortable to drive. Thanks for calling the 328 a shed though, always appreciated. Especially considering you've never seen it. But you've seen one down the road, so it must be true!

I'll ignore your "powerfully built company director" chest beating as you've done a perfectly good job of making yourself look silly there, wouldnt want to rub your face in it.

Anyway back to the original subject. A diesel 4wd golf? Cannot think of anything duller.

[Vladimir]

Faster than everything? Where? It's faster than slower cars. Slower than faster cars. Does that honestly need spelling out?
E36 328is are old sheds, loved by the chav brigade. They will never be classics. Only the M3 Evo passes that test and even most of those are horribly molested by the Barry brigade.

I'd be surprised if yours even makes 70% of its original bhp. And you missed the line - my wifes gran ran one from new for a year aged 71...

[Rich_W]

Why do 335Ds get bought by such ego-maniacs? Always soo eager to prove their are superior?

[XitUp]

80sboy said:

I think that many on here are very specific when defining a "sports car". Upon seeing a TT on the road, I'd describe it as nothing other than a sports car.

As for the TT TDI being as quick as the pertrol car, maybe I'm wrong. I read this in an article a while back...

You can describe it as whatever you like, doesn't make it so.

Just like you saying a diesel one is faster doesn't make it so.

[80sboy]

XitUp said:

You can describe it as whatever you like, doesn't make it so.

Just like you saying a diesel one is faster doesn't make it so.

Yes... Obviously!

We all have opinions and points of view. We use forums to discuss these things, right?

I just said that I was possibly wrong about the diesel TT being as fast as the petrol version. I read that in a magazine review.

Jesus...

[80sboy]

@Xitup

Oh, and if I wanna call it a sports car I'll call it a bloody sports car. Okay?

[XitUp]

OK, I'll call it a van. We're both equally wrong.

[80sboy]

XitUp said:

OK, I'll call it a van. We're both equally wrong.

Ugh, I'll go along with that just to make you feel better.

[plfrench]

Out of interest Vladimir, the scan of a magazine article you posted earlier shows that the 335i with an asterisk is a press car. Does this mean the column headed 335i with no asterisk is a standard car they got hold of outside of the BMW press fleet, and is therefore representative of what Joe public would buy from the forecourt? If so, then that's a shocking difference! I can see why Chris Harris was getting so annoyed about this sort of thing.

A difference of 1.1s in the 0-100mph time is massive. I reckon that must be getting on for 50bhp to drop from 13.6s to 12.5s.

[bodhi]

Vladimir said:

Faster than everything? Where? It's faster than slower cars. Slower than faster cars. Does that honestly need spelling out?
E36 328is are old sheds, loved by the chav brigade. They will never be classics. Only the M3 Evo passes that test and even most of those are horribly molested by the Barry brigade.

I'd be surprised if yours even makes 70% of its original bhp. And you missed the line - my wifes gran ran one from new for a year aged 71...

Who said anything about them being classics? They are just damn good cars, still, 15 years after they came out, which is why I'm still damn proud to run one, as it does everything I need, and is still utterly fabulous to drive. I have driven all manner of cars which would appeal to accountants and other people of the like, 330d's, 530d's, Golf GTD'S, and after every one I was happy to get back into my "shed,," afterwards. Guess there must be more to a car than a recent reg and some torque.

Plus it doesnt seem to make me want to prove how much better I am than everyone else at every opportunity.

Maybe you should consider one?

[80sboy]

What I don't get is why people can't accept that some prefer diesel, others petrol, some new, others old, etc, etc, etc.......

It's all down to personal preferece and most of us will be biased towards whatever we drive - that's the reason you/we/I bought that particular car in the first place!

All cars these days are on a pretty level playing field these days. Petrols and diesels are both excellent technologies and please people for different reasons.

This is all down to something called "preference", "opinion" and that individuals "circumstance".

This is allowed by the way, perfectly legal.

So many PH threads turn into petty arguments about diesel vs petrol, with people getting personal, my car IS better than yours...

st... Get over it and move on!

Edited by 80sboy on Friday 2nd December 01:14

[80sboy]

anonymous said:

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No, in my opinion I don't think diesel is AS good as petrol in a sports car. Diesels are very good indeed but petrols are more responsive, more fun, sound better etc.

However, when it comes to the real world (at this current time) with the cost of fuel, road tax, company car tax, etc. a diesel sports/performance car may make sense to some people. Some even enjoy driving a torquey fast diesel over a revvy 'gutless' petrol engine. So what if they do?

The engine in the 335d & 535d is so so good. Smooth, linear and very quiet. Heck I'd even say it sounds good! Its almost got the rumble of a V8 but the sound of a straight 6. The exhaust on ours isn't standard so maybe that's got something to do with it.

Anyway... I agree that incorrect information should be corrected, but why does everyone suddenly turn into 5-year-olds and bicker about this st?

Opinions are okay!!!

Ps. This isn't aimed at you btw, it's a general observation.

PPS. If that's your black E36, very nice and very tidy indeed! They're growing on me now. I've got an itch for an older E30 325i....... Or a Datsun 240Z!!! Ha.

[XitUp]

80sboy said:

No, in my opinion I don't think diesel is AS good as petrol in a sports car. Diesels are very good indeed but petrols are more responsive, more fun, sound better etc.

That's why there has never been a diesel sports car.

[Vladimir]

anonymous said:

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Well it was certainly a tidy example with the best wheels BMW has made (mine are the nearest you can get to those on an E9*).

But as I said two or three times I have driven one MANY times as my wife's gran ran one. Yep it's smooth engine, yes it sounds nice but it was ultimately a bit gutless.

Yes Xit but there are some very successful diesel LeMans cars...

Anyway a Golf is NOT a sports car neither is a 3 series.

Edited by Vladimir on Friday 2nd December 08:09

Edited by Vladimir on Friday 2nd December 08:48

[80sboy]

XitUp said:

That's why there has never been a diesel sports car.

Give it up.

[Rich_W]

Vladimir said:

Yes Xit but there are some very successful diesel LeMans cars...

Not surprising given the rules are biased.

ACO said:

Diesel engines are allowed a maximum of 5500cc with two-stage charging device. Turbocharged petrol engines (limited to only a single stage charging device) are allowed 4000cc with a maximum of 8 cylinders

So 1.5 litres more capacity and 2 stage turbos and no restriction on cylinders. You really think Porsche are coming back in 2014 with a Diesel. Or because the rules will be more equal then...

[Blown2CV]

way off topic now



so, now that we have established that lots of people on PH think diesels are bad, and similarly lots think they are good, do we think a VW diesel is worthy progress or overpriced marketing bullst for the Vpower diesel generation, 2.0TDi with 'special' wheels and twin pipes (one of which is cosmetic)?

[Rich_W]

Blown2CV said:

..do we think a VW diesel is worthy progress or overpriced marketing bullst for the Vpower diesel generation, 2.0TDi with 'special' wheels and twin pipes (one of which is cosmetic)?

I think it's VW pandering to their target (lowest denominator) audience. Build something that looks fast but isn't really and flog it on the imaginary "MP to the Gees" range

Christ, if they could write "faster than a 335d" in the advertisments they'd sell millions

[Blown2CV]

Rich_W said:

Blown2CV said:

..do we think a VW diesel is worthy progress or overpriced marketing bullst for the Vpower diesel generation, 2.0TDi with 'special' wheels and twin pipes (one of which is cosmetic)?

I think it's VW pandering to their target (lowest denominator) audience. Build something that looks fast but isn't really and flog it on the imaginary "MP to the Gees" range

Christ, if they could write "faster than a 335d" in the advertisments they'd sell millions

maybe if they hunt around for a hooky acceleration time something like 2mph to 7mph they could quote a time where it might be faster than a 335d, and then they could say that; such is the wonder of advertising standards

[XitUp]

Yup, some very fast diesels at Le Mans.
But the rules favour them, and they would still be very fast cars with petrol engines in them.

80sboy said:

XitUp said:

That's why there has never been a diesel sports car.

Give it up.

I will when you stop being wrong.