RE: VW's R brand: we're going for diesel and 4WD

[jbi]

death to the EU

[Ved]

Brand diluting rubbish. Will Audi make any S or RS cars a derv? No because it'll kill the exclusivity and name. If VW made a fast AWD diesel and called it a Golf AD, or whatever, thatd be fine but an R is supposed to be the pinnacle of their range with all the expensive exclusivity to go with it.

It'll happen, sell in spades but it won't make me want to trade my R32.

[frosted]

Ved said:

If VW made a fast AWD diesel and called it a Golf AD, or whatever, thatd be fine but an R is supposed to be the pinnacle of their range with all the expensive exclusivity to go with it.

Yes a 35k diesel golf will be exclusive , trust me on that one

[Matt UK]

Ved said:

Brand diluting rubbish. Will Audi make any S or RS cars a derv? No because it'll kill the exclusivity and name.

Don't hold your breath.

Bookmarked.

[Tim16V]

There's a used 11 plate Golf 2.0 (2,500 miles) for sale at my local dealer - £36,995.

This is incredible and you'd have to me mad to buy it knowing full well many components are shared with the Polo and in three years it'll just be another scary out of warranty GTi.

You've got to admire VW's gall with the mugs that are the British public though. You only need to sell a few with massive margin to make it worthwhile - these are also also brand ambassadors if you like - to keep it all moving 'up market' whilst catering for those few who are happy to do big depreciation.

[j_s14a]

Harji said:

What's missing from that statement is massive complication of Diesel engines to get as close to Petrol engines for power delivery. More complications mean more costs and the chance of more stuff going wrong?

I wouldn't know, I bought a 2.5 SE Subaru Legacy estate for my new commute to work (110 miles round trip) and my other car is an RX-8. So either I'm a sucker or I prefer the power delivery of naturally asprited engines? All I know is no diesel has tempted me.

Your daily won't be much better on fuel than your weekend car

[Rich_W]

Harji said:

What's missing from that statement is massive complication of Diesel engines to get as close to Petrol engines for power delivery. More complications mean more costs and the chance of more stuff going wrong?

Not only that, Diesel is a slow burning fuel. So there's an inherent molecular (if that's the right term) problem that cannot be overcome.

[va1o]

Sounds sensible to me, VW Group diesels are among the best in the business and win the Le Mans race every year, so makes sense to have performance R variants.

[ZeeTacoe]

va1o said:

Sounds sensible to me, VW Group diesels are among the best in the business and win the Le Mans race every year, so makes sense to have performance R variants.

But not because they are a diesel.

[FamilyDub]

Forget a diesel-powered 'R' car, what I'd like to see is the Mk7 with a significant weight reduction - akin to the 100kg boss Richter suggests... - and Audi's 2.5 5-pot motor.

Someone once said, a diesel sports car is like owning a sex doll. Sure it'll cost less to run than a real woman, but you'll feel dirty and ultimately unsatisfied.

[Ved]

Matt UK said:

Don't hold your breath.

Bookmarked.

Tell me about it. I'll bet that it's being thought of by some idiot but they'd have to be nuts to pass it off as one.

[Harji]

j_s14a said:

Harji said:

What's missing from that statement is massive complication of Diesel engines to get as close to Petrol engines for power delivery. More complications mean more costs and the chance of more stuff going wrong?

I wouldn't know, I bought a 2.5 SE Subaru Legacy estate for my new commute to work (110 miles round trip) and my other car is an RX-8. So either I'm a sucker or I prefer the power delivery of naturally asprited engines? All I know is no diesel has tempted me.

Your daily won't be much better on fuel than your weekend car

Luckily for me the m4 usually restricts myself to sensible speeds thus the Legacy is not tooo bad. The Rx-8 rapes my wallet but I love her....

[Grovsie26]

va1o said:

Sounds sensible to me, VW Group diesels are among the best in the business and win the Le Mans race every year, so makes sense to have performance R variants.

Oh well great then, i mean the 600bhp 700lbs torque Audi Le Mans car will have so much in common with a Diesel VW. Lol.

[gadget69]

This is VW they will build both a petrol and diesel they do it the GTi.

This for me is building my ideal car.

I used to have an R32 then an Edition 30 then I got a new job and get a car allowance but rule is it has to be diesel.

So last week I was telling someone my ideal car would be a 200BHP 4WD Gold R-TDi and what comes out in the press....

I LOVE YOU VW

Yes it will sound ste compared to an R32 but everything does if I am honest but it means I can have a very cool looking Hatch back in 4WD DSG and my company pays for it

[Colonial]

Unlike most people on here, I have driven a Golf GT-D in anger around a racetrack.

It was surprisingly good if I am honest. A bit more nose heavy than a GTI, but because of the track (Eastern Creek in Sydney for those who want to have a look) it was surprisingly fun.

Neither was a patch on the R (I am biased in that regard though), but the gap between the GTI and the GTD was less than I thought it would be.

[stuart-b]

Colonial said:

Unlike most people on here, I have driven a Golf GT-D in anger around a racetrack.

It was surprisingly good if I am honest. A bit more nose heavy than a GTI, but because of the track (Eastern Creek in Sydney for those who want to have a look) it was surprisingly fun.

Neither was a patch on the R (I am biased in that regard though), but the gap between the GTI and the GTD was less than I thought it would be.

Did you get spine tingles from the roar of the induction, or the loud screaming engine as it pushes past 7,000 and on to the limiter, or that combined with turbo chatter? Or were you listening to Radio 1, tyre sequel and the faint sound of a washing machine?

[elvismiggell]

stuart-b said:

Did you get spine tingles from the roar of the induction, or the loud screaming engine as it pushes past 7,000 and on to the limiter, or that combined with turbo chatter? Or were you listening to Radio 1, tyre sequel and the faint sound of a washing machine?

Well I'd prefer Kerrang to Radio 1 but beggars can't be choosers.

Honestly I've never really gotten the noise thing for cars I'm afraid. (In fairness that may have something to do with the cars I've driven...)

[Colonial]

stuart-b said:

Did you get spine tingles from the roar of the induction, or the loud screaming engine as it pushes past 7,000 and on to the limiter, or that combined with turbo chatter? Or were you listening to Radio 1, tyre sequel and the faint sound of a washing machine?

It was missing that. But it wasn't as bad as I was expecting.

[toon10]

elvismiggell said:

Well I'd prefer Kerrang to Radio 1 but beggars can't be choosers.

Honestly I've never really gotten the noise thing for cars I'm afraid. (In fairness that may have something to do with the cars I've driven...)

:-0

Some of my early car experiences include listening to the sound of Rally cars bouncing off the trees in forests, popping and banging on. Listening to a customers Aston DB5 being revved in my Grandad's small echoing garage, etc. The glorious sounds were all part and parcel of getting me into cars. Now we're talking about diesels in top of the range "sporty" models and not caring about engine noise.

Pistonheads, "the fun of motorway commutes"

[TobesH]

TobesH said:

Why not just keep the petrol engine (or a version of the twin-charge 1.4 for example) and get rid of the weight?

My B4 Avant Quattro 2.0 TDI 170 just about manages 38mpg on a run but dips to 28-30mpg when pushing on, in fact I'm always pushing on, but it does weigh about 3tonnes...

It actually only manage 26mpg yesterday over 200 miles