RE: Ferrari 599XX evolves

[Adrian W]

I'm betting it's to loud for most of the tracks in the UK

[Draexin]

Robmarriott said:

Other than the tyres, why can't it be used on the road?
Or why can't it be made to use on the road? it appears to have lights, so surely it can be adapted easily?

It looks like a road car because it was based on the 599. I'm sure regulations like emissions, pedestrian safety, noise, etc. keep it from being allowed on the road.

Though I'm sure you could convert it for road use (I believe some Swiss chap managed to convert his FXX), but that kind of defeats the purpose of the car imho.

The Danimal said:

I can't believe the people who can afford these cars are gullible enough to part with their cash. They're obviously clever folks who have earned millions through a business, yet they get tricked into paying for Ferrari development work by buying these pointless follies?... crazy.

Well, I guess they're not paying just for the car or paying Ferrari to make better cars, they pay Ferrari for the opportunity to be a part of their test team
It's like buying a regular Ferrari; you pay for the car, but also for its exclusivity. The 599XX program is just a bit more exclusive

[BuzzLightyear]

Yes, yes, yes. But what does it SOUND like through the side exit exhausts?

[Dagnut]

Adrian W said:

I'm betting it's to loud for most of the tracks in the UK

You can't take it too tracks in the UK anyway

[BelfastBoy]

missing the VR6 said:

Any idea how much?

Autocar says €158,000 for the upgrade - which to my mind is mind-bogglingly ludicrous for an extra 20bhp (and a few other things, obviously)!

[rhinochopig]

Dagnut said:

rhinochopig said:

I don't get this car - or the Enzo FXX - at all. Start from a very very poor starting point for a track only car and then spend millions on making it go fast on the track. I suppose some of the tech will trickle down, but there has to come a point where the specificity required for a track car becomes irrelevant to a road car.

It's cheaper to use an existing platform the car is not going racing so makes perfect sense

I disagree. I suspect it would actually be cheaper to design, build and sell a track only Ferrari from scratch as TuV, etc. testing is not required. If Radical et al can design and build a car that will run rings around an XX Ferrari and sell them for <100k and still make a large profit then Ferrari can.

I'd wager that those that can afford to an XX car would rather have a modern day version of this:



Than a 599. But that is just my opinion obviously.

[LuS1fer]

Wow that's ugly. There was a 599 behind a 288 GTO in the local dealer and boy, it looked a total bloater.

[Guvernator]

The Danimal said:

I can't believe the people who can afford these cars are gullible enough to part with their cash. They're obviously clever folks who have earned millions through a business, yet they get tricked into paying for Ferrari development work by buying these pointless follies?... crazy.

To be honest some car manufacturers had been getting away with owners paying for and driving test\development mules for years..cough TVR, Noble cough...albeit usually unwittingly on the owners part.

Some clever Ferrari marketing bods just had the nonce to make it official and use it to part rich fools with their money. Saying all that, if I had a gazillion quid I'd be first in line!

[SpudLink]

Draexin said:

Robmarriott said:

Other than the tyres, why can't it be used on the road?
Or why can't it be made to use on the road? it appears to have lights, so surely it can be adapted easily?

It looks like a road car because it was based on the 599. I'm sure regulations like emissions, pedestrian safety, noise, etc. keep it from being allowed on the road.

Though I'm sure you could convert it for road use (I believe some Swiss chap managed to convert his FXX), but that kind of defeats the purpose of the car imho.

I was under the impression Ferrari would not let you use this car except at their allotted test sessions. They will they not let you take it home, or to the track of your choice. In which case, how would the Swiss chap have converted his for the road?

Or have I completely misunderstood?

[Dagnut]

rhinochopig said:

I disagree. I suspect it would actually be cheaper to design, build and sell a track only Ferrari from scratch as TuV, etc. testing is not required. If Radical et al can design and build a car that will run rings around an XX Ferrari and sell them for <100k and still make a large profit then Ferrari can.

I'd wager that those that can afford to an XX car would rather have a modern day version of this:



Than a 599. But that is just my opinion obviously.

But its a test mule? This car has no comparison at all to a radical..they aren't for sale to the general public.
why would they test tech on a track car when they can test it on a mule that is based on a road car? which is going to give you better test data? This car is not a rival for any other car..it's completely unique..you're talking about what these people would "rather" have...it's not a choice for them they buy what ever they want...
How could it be cheaper, in any circumstances, to build a completely new chassis? the original 599XX filtered down some of it's tech to the 599gto... that's the purpose of this car.. Ferrari have just found a clever way of getting people to pay for it and also expanding their test parameters..with more test drivers..more test miles..more feedback...
how is a lightweight track only car given to customers going to help their development of the 599??

[Mork of Ork]

SpudLink said:

I was under the impression Ferrari would not let you use this car except at their allotted test sessions. They will they not let you take it home, or to the track of your choice. In which case, how would the Swiss chap have converted his for the road?

Or have I completely misunderstood?

Here's the story http://www.motorauthority.com/news/1029861_edo-com...

It's a German tuning company, the article doesn't say exactly how they got their hands on an FXX but not a lot was needed for TÜV approval.

[Dagnut]

SpudLink said:

I was under the impression Ferrari would not let you use this car except at their allotted test sessions. They will they not let you take it home, or to the track of your choice. In which case, how would the Swiss chap have converted his for the road?

Or have I completely misunderstood?

No you're spot on...they have probably given the first batch to the customers by now to do what they want with

[Arun_D]

Dagnut said:

rhinochopig said:

I disagree. I suspect it would actually be cheaper to design, build and sell a track only Ferrari from scratch as TuV, etc. testing is not required. If Radical et al can design and build a car that will run rings around an XX Ferrari and sell them for <100k and still make a large profit then Ferrari can.

I'd wager that those that can afford to an XX car would rather have a modern day version of this:



Than a 599. But that is just my opinion obviously.

But its a test mule? This car has no comparison at all to a radical..they aren't for sale to the general public.
why would they test tech on a track car when they can test it on a mule that is based on a road car? which is going to give you better test data? This car is not a rival for any other car..it's completely unique..you're talking about what these people would "rather" have...it's not a choice for them they buy what ever they want...
How could it be cheaper, in any circumstances, to build a completely new chassis? the original 599XX filtered down some of it's tech to the 599gto... that's the purpose of this car.. Ferrari have just found a clever way of getting people to pay for it and also expanding their test parameters..with more test drivers..more test miles..more feedback...
how is a lightweight track only car given to customers going to help their development of the 599??

That's a Ferrari 333SP race car, I believe

[missing the VR6]

BelfastBoy said:

missing the VR6 said:

Any idea how much?

Autocar says €158,000 for the upgrade - which to my mind is mind-bogglingly ludicrous for an extra 20bhp (and a few other things, obviously)!

A rude word beginning with F and ending in K me!

[Dagnut]

Arun_D said:

That's a Ferrari 333SP race car, I believe

I know, he refereed to the radical in his post.

[lgomgf]

missing the VR6 said:

BelfastBoy said:

missing the VR6 said:

Any idea how much?

Autocar says €158,000 for the upgrade - which to my mind is mind-bogglingly ludicrous for an extra 20bhp (and a few other things, obviously)!

A rude word beginning with F and ending in K me!

We are so poor, what is 150k for someone that has 2 million to spend in a car that cannot be taken home... not that much... beer money I would say!!!

[soad]

Graebob said:

Is the pic in the story from Forza 4?!

Could well be - looks far too processed.

[rhinochopig]

Dagnut said:

But its a test mule? This car has no comparison at all to a radical..they aren't for sale to the general public.
why would they test tech on a track car when they can test it on a mule that is based on a road car? which is going to give you better test data? This car is not a rival for any other car..it's completely unique..you're talking about what these people would "rather" have...it's not a choice for them they buy what ever they want...
How could it be cheaper, in any circumstances, to build a completely new chassis? the original 599XX filtered down some of it's tech to the 599gto... that's the purpose of this car.. Ferrari have just found a clever way of getting people to pay for it and also expanding their test parameters..with more test drivers..more test miles..more feedback...
how is a lightweight track only car given to customers going to help their development of the 599??

Can't argue with any of that. My comparison was made because I took the view that they are effectively selling a track car - and you can buy more capable track cars for less money, and my point was that if radical can do it, Ferrari can.

But you're right, it's not actually track car, it's a dev mule that can only be used on track. I still question the true relevancy of the 599XX in that it may make the GTO a better car on track, but the 599 architecture is better suited to a road car and not a track car.

And yes it is very clever that they charge people for the privilege.

[Dagnut]

rhinochopig said:

Can't argue with any of that. My comparison was made because I took the view that they are effectively selling a track car - and you can buy more capable track cars for less money, and my point was that if radical can do it, Ferrari can.

But you're right, it's not actually track car, it's a dev mule that can only be used on track. I still question the true relevancy of the 599XX in that it may make the GTO a better car on track, but the 599 architecture is better suited to a road car and not a track car.

And yes it is very clever that they charge people for the privilege.

I understand where you are coming from but Ferrari will never make a track only car when they can charge you through the nose for testing for them!

[Oelholm]

This has nothing to do with ownership of said vehicle, nor has it anything to do with using it on the road or on track days. It has everything to do with being a part of the development of new Ferrari models - THAT'S what the money is for, THAT'S what gives the bragging rights. And why not?? You are an integral (if minor) part of Ferrari history forever then.