RE: Pic of the Week: Subaru versus John Cleland
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Epic photo. No contest!
90's BTCC was fantastically entertaining!
Anyone remember TOCA Touring cars on the playstation?
late 80's group A was equally as exciting as the cars became less lairy after.
Todays care resembly almost nothing about the original car. At least in the old days you could ACTUALLY tune your car to a similar extent. Correct me if i'm wrong but arent the shells physically reworked to a massive extent in todays age? with the exception of rose joined suspension and custom uprights/struts the 80's and 90's cars were just stock werent they ?
90's BTCC was fantastically entertaining!
Anyone remember TOCA Touring cars on the playstation?
late 80's group A was equally as exciting as the cars became less lairy after.
Todays care resembly almost nothing about the original car. At least in the old days you could ACTUALLY tune your car to a similar extent. Correct me if i'm wrong but arent the shells physically reworked to a massive extent in todays age? with the exception of rose joined suspension and custom uprights/struts the 80's and 90's cars were just stock werent they ?
Jessop said:
Epic photo. No contest!
90's BTCC was fantastically entertaining!
Anyone remember TOCA Touring cars on the playstation?
late 80's group A was equally as exciting as the cars became less lairy after.
Todays care resembly almost nothing about the original car. At least in the old days you could ACTUALLY tune your car to a similar extent. Correct me if i'm wrong but arent the shells physically reworked to a massive extent in todays age? with the exception of rose joined suspension and custom uprights/struts the 80's and 90's cars were just stock werent they ?
the budget for the 90s cars (super touring) formula became uncredible and unsustainable, hence the sudden regression to those awful astras with the corn flake packets stuck on the side and wings that were tuned not to produce any downforce whatsoever. I lost interest in my favourite series for 12 years immediately, but switched to GT racing / prototypes and am glad I did.90's BTCC was fantastically entertaining!
Anyone remember TOCA Touring cars on the playstation?
late 80's group A was equally as exciting as the cars became less lairy after.
Todays care resembly almost nothing about the original car. At least in the old days you could ACTUALLY tune your car to a similar extent. Correct me if i'm wrong but arent the shells physically reworked to a massive extent in todays age? with the exception of rose joined suspension and custom uprights/struts the 80's and 90's cars were just stock werent they ?
Jessop said:
Epic photo. No contest!
Todays care resembly almost nothing about the original car. At least in the old days you could ACTUALLY tune your car to a similar extent. Correct me if i'm wrong but arent the shells physically reworked to a massive extent in todays age? with the exception of rose joined suspension and custom uprights/struts the 80's and 90's cars were just stock werent they ?
This seems to be a common misconception. The current Super 2000 based regs (not next years NGTC) are much closer to the standard road car than the Supertourers were. The Supertourers only had to retain the same suspension type as the roadcar (i.e. macpherson strut or multi-link) but pick up points were free so the suspenion geometry was completely different to the roadcars, where as Super 2000 regs allow much less freedom.Todays care resembly almost nothing about the original car. At least in the old days you could ACTUALLY tune your car to a similar extent. Correct me if i'm wrong but arent the shells physically reworked to a massive extent in todays age? with the exception of rose joined suspension and custom uprights/struts the 80's and 90's cars were just stock werent they ?
we all look back and think the past was always better than the present, but, you Sir are absolutely spot on, halcyon days thy wre, the best era I can remember in BTCC...........
MrKipling43 said:
"Never has a humble Cavalier looked so glamorous..."
And THAT is why the BTCC isn't as exciting as it was.
And THAT is why the BTCC isn't as exciting as it was.
John Clelland was one of the real characters of that era, I can vividly remember him hammering up the Railway Straight at Knockhill in the pouring rain with the wipers going ten to the dozen saying on the in car commentary " a canna see a thing", that was just before he ran out of track and piled it in to the tyres at Taylors hairpin!! Just epic stuff.
There was less contact and more bravery...........
There was less contact and more bravery...........
Cavalier all the way!!
Its a shame we don't see cars airbourne at Dingledale anymore after it was smoothed down after James Thompson's Honda Accord made a bid for the sky in 2000 (IIRC).
I've actually got a highlights video of 1990-2000 and the racing really was superb back then, Cleland being one of the highlights of the video.
However I still enjoy BTCC these days and still go watch it at Thruxton every year, the Renault Clio cup support race also gives great entertainment due to their tendancy to end up on either two wheels or their roofs.
Its a shame we don't see cars airbourne at Dingledale anymore after it was smoothed down after James Thompson's Honda Accord made a bid for the sky in 2000 (IIRC).
I've actually got a highlights video of 1990-2000 and the racing really was superb back then, Cleland being one of the highlights of the video.
However I still enjoy BTCC these days and still go watch it at Thruxton every year, the Renault Clio cup support race also gives great entertainment due to their tendancy to end up on either two wheels or their roofs.
Edited by fingersprice on Friday 2nd December 22:22
those were the days....
Especially in dramatic poses 
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