RE: Driven: Toyota GT 86

[Gary C]

white_goodman said:

Surely it would just help broaden its appeal and boost sales for Subaru and Toyota. How many affordable, turbocharged RWD coupes are out there at the moment? I'm not saying that there should not be a cheaper NA model but most of the RWD coupes that I can think of from the past were available in normally aspirated and/or turbocharged form such as RX7, 200SX, Supra, Porsche 944 or BMW 2002. It would be wrong to turn it into an Impreza STI coupe but that's not what I was suggesting.

I'm sure it would, but I would like them to fit a more powerfull N/A.

Edited by Gary C on Wednesday 14th December 13:15

[Dagnut]

Gary C said:

Better to fit a more powerfull N/A.

I'm sure you'd get more torque with the bottom end from a UK sti

[lewisf182]

StormLoaded said:

i see GReddy have got their mitts on a Scion (Toyota) already.

Looks sweet

In the top greddy picture from the front wheels back I can see a mini masterati gran turismo?
That Greddy version looks the bees knees. Can't wait to finish uni and then get a job to buy one of these, this will be my first proper car, no doubt.

[white_goodman]

Gary C said:

I'm sure it would, but I would like them to fit a more powerfull N/A.

Edited by Gary C on Wednesday 14th December 13:15

Fair enough but unlikely I imagine. I think 100bhp/litre is probably about on the limit of what's possible with a normally aspirated engine. Perhaps Honda may have beat it with the S2000 but not by much. To increase power and keep it NA, they would have to increase the engine size which may cause packaging issues and the huge expense of developing a new engine. Putting on a turbocharger would seem like the most logical way to get more power and Subaru have a long track record of doing this. I guess a supercharger would achieve the same effect but probably higher emissions.

[Marf]

white_goodman said:

Gary C said:

I'm sure it would, but I would like them to fit a more powerfull N/A.

Edited by Gary C on Wednesday 14th December 13:15

Fair enough but unlikely I imagine. I think 100bhp/litre is probably about on the limit of what's possible with a normally aspirated engine.

It's an interesting point though, given the compression ratio of 12.5:1 I'm surprised it's not more powerful than 100hp/litre.

[5lab]

Marf said:

white_goodman said:

Gary C said:

I'm sure it would, but I would like them to fit a more powerfull N/A.

Edited by Gary C on Wednesday 14th December 13:15

Fair enough but unlikely I imagine. I think 100bhp/litre is probably about on the limit of what's possible with a normally aspirated engine.

It's an interesting point though, given the compression ratio of 12.5:1 I'm surprised it's not more powerful than 100hp/litre.

it doesn't rev *that* high. I think its around 7,000rpm compared to the honda's 9,000rpm? if it could rev that high with the same torque it'd be putting out ~260bhp

[Dagnut]

5lab said:

it doesn't rev *that* high. I think its around 7,000rpm compared to the honda's 9,000rpm? if it could rev that high with the same torque it'd be putting out ~260bhp

emissions..emissions..emissions..emissions

[Kozy]

5lab said:

it doesn't rev *that* high. I think its around 7,000rpm compared to the honda's 9,000rpm? if it could rev that high with the same torque it'd be putting out ~260bhp

As Dagnut said, this will be to get it through the emissions regulations as they need to be done at a certain % of maximum RPM, which is what killed off the 9k Honda K20 as it was being tested 30% faster than any other NA 2.0 engine, even though you wouldn't realistically drive it like that.

The 12.5 compression should mean it will take to a set of hot cams quite well though...

[isee]

That Schon looks wicked!
I just couldn't live with the acceleration times personally. But if it's tunable then I guess it will be the most used track car in about 5 years time

[Xaero]

Nice to see it next to an AE86, it looks exactly the same size which is quite an achievement in a modern coupe. It's size might be surprising to a few when they first start appearing on the road.

[StormLoaded]

in white with all the trimmings!!(official TRD)..

[s m]

StormLoaded said:

in white with all the trimmings!!(official TRD)..

I like it in white............but why so many exhaust pipes??? Could have saved a bit more weight there

[StormLoaded]

its dual as standard, but the quad TRD zorst being an optional extra

[Kozy]

s m said:

I like it in white............but why so many exhaust pipes??? Could have saved a bit more weight there

Well at least the engine is in a decent configuration to warrant twin/quad pipes. The same on an inline engine looks a bit pointless.

[VinceFox]

That boot spoiler is better than the standard one, but the kits a bit much imho.

[hornetrider]

StormLoaded said:

in white with all the trimmings!!(official TRD)..

You git!! The colour and black wheels look great - would need to see kitted/non-kitted side by side but I'm thinking less is more. Still reckon on a gloss black wrap on the mirrors too...

Oh, and those chrome door slashes on the car in the background look well ghey innit bruv! Mind you they both seem to have different roof aerials as well. Is one a DAB aerial maybe?

[StormLoaded]

yeah looks well sweet..
not sure about the rear underside/quad zorst at the moment, but everything else looks bl**dy good to me

the one in the background is the Modellista version
http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=29...

... got to be TRD all the way i think

[shoestring7]

StormLoaded said:

i see GReddy have got their mitts on a Scion (Toyota) already.

Looks sweet

I might be miss-reading this, but it seems that they take a car which handles and steers sweetly (halleluyah!) on its relatively modest wheel/tyre combination, and then risk screwing that up by fitting the biggest wheels they can squeeze in because they think it looks good?

SS7

[P I Staker]

shoestring7 said:

I might be miss-reading this, but it seems that they take a car which handles and steers sweetly (halleluyah!) on its relatively modest wheel/tyre combination, and then risk screwing that up by fitting the biggest wheels they can squeeze in because they think it looks good?

SS7

The suspensions definatly broken too.

[Marf]

shoestring7 said:

StormLoaded said:

i see GReddy have got their mitts on a Scion (Toyota) already.

Looks sweet

I might be miss-reading this, but it seems that they take a car which handles and steers sweetly (halleluyah!) on its relatively modest wheel/tyre combination, and then risk screwing that up by fitting the biggest wheels they can squeeze in because they think it looks good?

SS7

And this is different to how the aftermarket has acted for years how exactly?