RE: Driven: BBR Mazda 3 MPS 320

RE: Driven: BBR Mazda 3 MPS 320

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kingofdbrits

622 posts

193 months

Thursday 15th December 2011
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Cupradan said:
Stage 1 in my leon cupra is similar to that. Plus it's nicer to look at!
You must have a good one or visited a generous dyno, Revo only claim from +35bhp/50lbft for stage 1, so that's an extra 10bhp above a stock MPS but it still has less torque so it's a good 100lb/ft down on the BBR stage 2, which will make a difference so not quite similar.

Don't forget the 2 cars have the same turbo and fuel pump so will need similar mods to see similar results. If you take Revo's best claims for stage 2 you're still only at 306bhp & 317lb/ft for a cupra which is similar the BBR 320/370.

Spanna

3,732 posts

176 months

Thursday 15th December 2011
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I think Cupradan is talking about the later Cupra R, with 265BHP as standard (from memory, not 100% on that) from the 2.0 4-pot turbo. With a remap sees 310+bhp.


ZesPak

24,432 posts

196 months

Thursday 15th December 2011
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Cupradan said:
Stage 1 in my leon cupra is similar to that. Plus it's nicer to look at!
I'd have a hard time chosing between the two and really love the Seat, but I find it hard to believe a Stage 1 will take a cupra this far...

icepop

1,177 posts

207 months

Friday 16th December 2011
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There's been one at a local garage in the Lakes, for a while now. Mazda 3 MPS, 25k, 2008 reg, £6.5k. Looks absolutly nowt, unless you're in the know. Dead tempted, but then another grand would have bought a proper hero, an STI, and you get AWD with that rascal, and a scoop, and a wing, and one of the best noises available.....and the same mpg........eek!!!!!

danneth

994 posts

187 months

Friday 16th December 2011
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Cupradan said:
Stage 1 in my leon cupra is similar to that. Plus it's nicer to look at!
Was there a point to this post?

Dave Hedgehog

14,565 posts

204 months

Friday 16th December 2011
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performance bargain, especially as you can pick up a 6 month old 3 mps for about £600 and a mouldy cheese sandwich

wildcat45

8,075 posts

189 months

Friday 16th December 2011
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So, bearing mind my Mazda CX7 has the same 2.3 lump and I assume the AWD , would BBR be able to do this on my car.

I am considering flogging the MX5 for an XF and replacing the CX with a second hand L322 Range Rover.

Now I'm thinking it might be better to have some fun with the CX rather than buying into a 15K Rangey.

ZesPak

24,432 posts

196 months

Friday 16th December 2011
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danneth said:
Cupradan said:
Stage 1 in my leon cupra is similar to that. Plus it's nicer to look at!
Was there a point to this post?
There is a point, if you can point to a car that is similar money, equally good to drive, and arguably better looking (although I do thing the Leon is deffo better looking).

But his post doesn't make much sense as I have a hard time believing it can get around 320bhp wih a stage one.

Adam Towler

62 posts

221 months

Friday 16th December 2011
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kingofdbrits said:
I've had this conversion done to my MPS, done about 2k miles with it now and it has made the car serious fun to drive. The power comes in quick and the car feels really eager to go faster so you do have to be careful with the loud pedal, the car was very good at overtaking when stock but now it's a different animal.

I'm a little surprised to hear about torque steer, i know what limits BBR have put on the reviewed car in 1st & 2nd and i've had mine taken off completely yet i only get torque steer on very bad roads, i don't get a hint of it on 95% of roads. The limits were deliberately left on to avoid the default "torque steer" comments in media reviews.

I have taken a few scalps of supposedly quick cars that cost 4 times as much yet my trip computer tells me i'm averaging 32.3mpg which isn't bad, not sure there's a better all rounder for the price.

The car does handle the power well and i'll be looking at the stage 3 conversion early next year, you can never have too much power!
As mentioned in the article, the car was driven on some rough/challenging B roads. I suppose you can either call that a bit unfair for a car such as this one, or a typical B-road/hot hatch environment. Depends on your viewpoint. As does how much torque steer is acceptable, really. I thought it was worth mentioning the conditions as well, because it was just about the worst combo for a powerful front-driver. I don't know whether BBR has recently changed the mapping on the car to remove some of the torque limits, but I can only report as I find and I'd say the torque steer was comparable with a Mk1 FRS for instance. I'm sure on smoother roads it's not an issue (not that it's a deal breaker anyway, just a characteristic of the car).

Enjoy your car, and I'm sure Stage 3 will be, err, rapid...

AT

Caulkhead

4,938 posts

157 months

Friday 16th December 2011
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wildcat45 said:
So, bearing mind my Mazda CX7 has the same 2.3 lump and I assume the AWD , would BBR be able to do this on my car.

I am considering flogging the MX5 for an XF and replacing the CX with a second hand L322 Range Rover.

Now I'm thinking it might be better to have some fun with the CX rather than buying into a 15K Rangey.
Yep, no reason it won't go on a CX7 as they're mechanically identical under the bonnet.

wildcat45

8,075 posts

189 months

Friday 16th December 2011
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Caulkhead said:
Yep, no reason it won't go on a CX7 as they're mechanically identical under the bonnet.
Hmmm, food for thought then.

danneth

994 posts

187 months

Friday 16th December 2011
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The Crack Fox said:
"0-62mph: na
Top speed: na
Weight: na"

C'mon, these stats are relevant, and interesting...
Mines only a mk1 running 300bhp, and i should imagine its abit quicker then mine, but mine is around 5.5sec to 60mph 60-100mph 6.3secs top speed ( limiter removed clock speed ) so far 165mph

BigTom85

1,927 posts

171 months

Monday 19th December 2011
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http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2011...

So you can get a good base car for £6k, £2k for tuning, and you have a 5 year old, sensible miles 320bhp 4wd beast with Japanese reliability and a car thats quite subtle to look at, so a good sleeper, and they are fully loaded. £8k all in. What's the catch?

(And yes the conversion is compatible with the 6 MPS)

danneth

994 posts

187 months

Monday 19th December 2011
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no catch there awesome value for money as an overall package

Legacywr

12,136 posts

188 months

Monday 19th December 2011
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I don't like the seats much.

danneth

994 posts

187 months

Monday 19th December 2011
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suppose i do prefer mine


GAjon

3,735 posts

213 months

Monday 19th December 2011
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BigTom85 said:
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2011...

So you can get a good base car for £6k, £2k for tuning, and you have a 5 year old, sensible miles 320bhp 4wd beast with Japanese reliability and a car thats quite subtle to look at, so a good sleeper, and they are fully loaded. £8k all in. What's the catch?

(And yes the conversion is compatible with the 6 MPS)
I lost the 6th gear in my 6MPS, apparently so have a few others, only major problem (in terms of cost of repair) i'm aware of.

ManOpener

12,467 posts

169 months

Monday 19th December 2011
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Bonefish Blues said:
Barking - most satisfactory!

If this was tested the road between Silverstone and Tingewick I'm not surprised it had the odd moment of torque steer.
This. It's a flipping awful road.

Lovely looking car, though. I'd much rather take one of these than a hot Focus or Golf. Much more interesting.

CrammyJay

163 posts

171 months

Monday 19th December 2011
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What is this torque steer people keep banging on about? Never found it a problem in my car

Bill

52,781 posts

255 months

Tuesday 20th December 2011
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What's your car?