RE: Driven: Frontline Developments MG LE50

RE: Driven: Frontline Developments MG LE50

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The Jolly Todger

2,742 posts

181 months

Monday 19th December 2011
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Liquid Knight said:
D-reg?

Brand new shell, brand new engine, brand new running gear, brand new brakes, etc, etc; 1966 registration? Would love to know how the chrome bumpers that were removed for the US impact safety standards in 1974 qualify in the new Euro-n-cap tests for a brand new car today

As the cars are being produced by volume (albeit a limited run of fifty) they should be 61-reg shouldn't they?
I thought you were allowed to make a car appear older, but not newer?

kambites

67,593 posts

222 months

Monday 19th December 2011
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The Jolly Todger said:
I thought you were allowed to make a car appear older, but not newer?
Yes you are, but I don't think you'd be allowed to fit silver on black plates to a new car, even on an old registration.

therealpigdog

2,592 posts

198 months

Monday 19th December 2011
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doogz said:
I reckon 215bhp is about the right amount of power for this car. Obviously, this is a guess, i haven't driven one, but from looking at the figures, it seems about right. And if an I4 is the lightest and cheapest way to get that sort of power, reliably, then why not?

Something like a BMW 3.0 makes a bit more power, but is substantially longer and heavier, would seem a bit pointless i think.

I'd love one of these. But not at that price. But then, if they'd went with a BMW I6 or even V8, what would it have cost!?
I know someone who is putting an E36 M3 engine into an MGC - the owner wanted to retain a straight six. Can't wait for it to be done so I can have a go. Will be costing a bit less than £50k too!

kambites

67,593 posts

222 months

Monday 19th December 2011
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therealpigdog said:
I know someone who is putting an E36 M3 engine into an MGC - the owner wanted to retain a straight six. Can't wait for it to be done so I can have a go. Will be costing a bit less than £50k too!
Not really the same thing though. He will end up with an MGC with a BMW engine in it, with all the disadvantages that a classic brings. Nothing wrong with that, but this kind of modernisation involves a LOT more than fitting a new engine.

MogulBoy

2,934 posts

224 months

Monday 19th December 2011
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Of course the colour on this example informs the Aston connotation.

Would like to see more of the interior - just a glipmse of the Alcantara covered instrument binnacle looks promising.

Love the intake trumpets but presumably a bit of a risk to run without any sort of filter in dusty condtions as who knows what the airflow would pick up and blow around the engine compartment at speed.

I note that you can have an LSD, is that sort of thing possible on any old 'B' or is it another development made specifically for this car?

Perhaps the traditional live rear axle would give some welcome old school character that would otherwise be lost if they had been allowed to fit the MX-5 one.


AdamPT

191 posts

164 months

Monday 19th December 2011
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kambites said:
AdamPT said:
Good? It would have to be made of gold and make you a cup of tea and breakfast every morning for that to be worth 50k. Mental. If you want to spend 50k on classic metal, buy something decent in the first instance!
That's the thing though isn't it... at hum-drum things like getting you from A to B, classics are, well, a bit rubbish; and modern cars are generally dull, characterless, mass produced white-goods.

With this sort of thing, how good the original car was is somewhat immaterial because these companies re-engineer them so thoroughly that they might as well be a different car. What exactly do you suggest would have made a better starting point? Personally, I'd rather have an eagle E-type, but they're about three times the price of this.
Having owned a few classics, I completely agree. Eagles are wonderful. For me, for 50k, I'd have a perfect BMW 3.0 csl, and perhaps a late E39 M5 but then I have a panchent for all things Bavarian. The thing is, the csl would hold its value whereas this thing would be almost impossible to shift for anything like what it cost.

therealpigdog

2,592 posts

198 months

Monday 19th December 2011
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kambites said:
therealpigdog said:
I know someone who is putting an E36 M3 engine into an MGC - the owner wanted to retain a straight six. Can't wait for it to be done so I can have a go. Will be costing a bit less than £50k too!
Not really the same thing though. He will end up with an MGC with a BMW engine in it, with all the disadvantages that a classic brings. Nothing wrong with that, but this kind of modernisation involves a LOT more than fitting a new engine.
sorry, should have clarified - this is in a new shell, uprated suspension, brakes etc. It will have more modern running gear (late '90s).

MrTappets

881 posts

192 months

Monday 19th December 2011
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I haven't wanted something this much in quite a while. And it's easy to forget when bemoaning the price how much a Cayman actually costs. As we found out the other day, a well specced Cayman is 70-odd thousand. Considering the exclusivity I know where I'd put my money.

therealpigdog

2,592 posts

198 months

Monday 19th December 2011
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doogz said:
See, i just think 286bhp, assuming it's only the 3.0, is too much power in something like that, unless you are putting huge rear tyres on it to actually put the power down, at which point it's not going to be as fun imo.
I'll let you know!

therealpigdog

2,592 posts

198 months

Monday 19th December 2011
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doogz said:
I'm sure it'll still be fun, should be pretty mental tbh!
If it goes well, am tempted to get him to take the 170 bhp engine from my 323 and put it in an MGB (might be more manageable) - I'd want a full cage and sebring kit added though!

Hammerhead

2,701 posts

255 months

Monday 19th December 2011
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I bet that's great to drive! But flat out at 158? That'll be interesting!

smileymikey

1,446 posts

227 months

Monday 19th December 2011
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AdamPT said:
Having owned a few classics, I completely agree. Eagles are wonderful. For me, for 50k, I'd have a perfect BMW 3.0 csl, and perhaps a late E39 M5 but then I have a panchent for all things Bavarian. The thing is, the csl would hold its value whereas this thing would be almost impossible to shift for anything like what it cost.
+1

DJRC

23,563 posts

237 months

Monday 19th December 2011
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rhinochopig said:
I'd have mine as a Sebring rep please.

Oh yes!

cjgreaves41

106 posts

156 months

Monday 19th December 2011
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Love it! No engine bay pics tho?? frown

Billy Hunt

1,749 posts

175 months

Monday 19th December 2011
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MogulBoy said:
I note that you can have an LSD, is that sort of thing possible on any old 'B' or is it another development made specifically for this car?
Couple of companies do them from around £7-900.

Would love one of these but I don't think I'd consider it unless I had several hundreds of thousands sat in the bank. In the mean time I'll stick to my '77 B GT daily

kiteless

11,720 posts

205 months

Monday 19th December 2011
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Jonny TVR said:
Completely pointless. MX5 engine!

Spend half the amount on an original MGC tweaked for fast road.
Yebbut, the BGT was always considered the sweeter handling car over the MGC due to the added weight of the 6-pot engine in the C.

Personally, I love the concept of the Frontline BGT. Yet 50k some seem salty when for 25k more one could get a "future-proofed" Jensen Interceptor R from Cropredy (but built by Gama):

http://www.jensen-cars.co.uk/page3.html


XitUp

7,690 posts

205 months

Monday 19th December 2011
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This would be in my lottery win garage, as would the above Jensen.

I think a 4cyl fits the car perfectly, although I would have gone for one from an S2000, 7,800rpm just isn't enough biggrin

Ex Boy Racer

1,151 posts

193 months

Monday 19th December 2011
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Well... nice idea. But if I had a car restored and it came back with the door fitting as badly as that one, and with such a crap chrome line down the side I wouldn't pay them!!!

Wedgepilot

819 posts

284 months

Tuesday 20th December 2011
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Love the idea of this!

But 158mph top speed? With 215bhp? Really?? Or are B GTs super aerodynamic?

bernhund

3,767 posts

194 months

Tuesday 20th December 2011
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I don't quite get the figures. My old GTV8 was pushing out 200BHP and had all the bumpers removed etc and there was no way it'd be any less than 6-6.5secs. Is it the gearbox that makes the difference?