RE: Tell me I'm wrong: Honda Civic Type R (EP3)
Discussion
There was never a Mugen EP3 available from dealers. It was just parts available to buy as accessories from dealers. As Mugen parts have always been.
The only offical Mugen Civic's are the FD2 based RR, RC (which is a race only model) and the FN2 based M20. Even the M200 isn't seen as a proper Mugen car as it was merely a styling exercise.
Here's some reading material for you.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honda_Civic_Type_R#Ci...
The only offical Mugen Civic's are the FD2 based RR, RC (which is a race only model) and the FN2 based M20. Even the M200 isn't seen as a proper Mugen car as it was merely a styling exercise.
Here's some reading material for you.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honda_Civic_Type_R#Ci...
Edited by DanDC5 on Thursday 1st November 11:24
aaronvti said:
Nope talking about the ep3 but the Japanese market (jdm) which had the colour championship white unlike are European market. But the mugen version which is jdm came only in championship white.
Yes on first point.No idea what you're on about with the second as Dan as already pointed out. No Mugen EP3.
Yeaah it daft money you buy the crz New so that's about 18k and then only will mugen do it works to a grands total of 26 to 28 k after buying car and giving it to mugen lol
As for hero cars there the best, I love having a underdog car and just out driving some one who clearly has the better car but can't use it .
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Not sure what u ment by no golf r32 or ctr but I would have a ek9 or ep3 ctr any day
As for hero cars there the best, I love having a underdog car and just out driving some one who clearly has the better car but can't use it .
. Not sure what u ment by no golf r32 or ctr but I would have a ek9 or ep3 ctr any day
hora said:
Rereading this has put me off the EP3 
Why? They are great cars and utter bargains now. Reading peoples views when they've either not owned one, or don't like Vtec power delivery is fine, but drive one, then make a decision. Back when I was looking to buy a hot hatch I was sold very quickly. Other hot hatches might have better chassis and more torque because they are turbo charged, but none that I've driven compete from an engine and gear box perspective.
I've never owned a car that has offered so much, yet cost so little to run. Because of that, I will always be fond of the Red H.
I got one a few months ago and love it, taking it on a euro road trip to croatia tomorrow too!
It's perfect for the job, very comfortable and practical and capable of cruising down the autoroutes civally at legal speeds but when I get to the A-roads and passes I'll be grinning like a small child.
What's not to like!
I do have to say that it grips and turns in impecably (and that's even in mine which needs the (common) steering column bush thing changing in the near future).
It's perfect for the job, very comfortable and practical and capable of cruising down the autoroutes civally at legal speeds but when I get to the A-roads and passes I'll be grinning like a small child.
What's not to like!
I do have to say that it grips and turns in impecably (and that's even in mine which needs the (common) steering column bush thing changing in the near future).
hora said:
Rereading this has put me off the EP3
I have never ever taken a journalist's view as being key to any car-buying decision I have made. people who drive all the best cars and Ferraris and Zondas and Lambos and even brand new performance cars are going to have an entirely different view about what is good or bad.I never had any issue about VTEC or the difference above and below it, the powertrain and gearbox were peerless and it was a great price. My only gripe was access to the rear and it lacked a bit of personality, neither reasons not to buy one.
I own an EP3 and a clio 197 cup and it has to be said that in standard form, though the handling on a 197 excells over that of the EP3 it cannot match the overall performance of it. I cannot believe how different they feel to drive and how much quicker the EP3 feels.
The downside is that they are getting to look old now IMO and to accessable for dare I say it 'chavs' to buy. In some ways the EP3 is falling down the same slope as the scooby did.
In all honesty I would buy another EP3 should I need a cheap, realiable and fun car.
The EP3 is now my pure track car and has had many £££'s spent on it to get it how i like it.
I think they are very mis understood cars, but the bottom line is if you want something that requires driving hard and with some talent then these are the cars.
As with any car or women it's personal choice.
The downside is that they are getting to look old now IMO and to accessable for dare I say it 'chavs' to buy. In some ways the EP3 is falling down the same slope as the scooby did.
In all honesty I would buy another EP3 should I need a cheap, realiable and fun car.
The EP3 is now my pure track car and has had many £££'s spent on it to get it how i like it.
I think they are very mis understood cars, but the bottom line is if you want something that requires driving hard and with some talent then these are the cars.
As with any car or women it's personal choice.
kayzee said:
I was all set on getting a pre-facelift one for my next car, but I'm delighted to see the post-facelift ones now getting cheaper! I hope I can find a mint, standard one in red when the time comes...
Whereabouts do you live? I may be getting an Impreza RB320 in the near future and would have to sell my Type R. If you're interested PM me and I'll send you a description.Very well said,
Generally people who bash hondas and winge about their tprque steer and gitteryness are turbo lovers and have become lazy from years at the wheel of a modern turbo sports car,which often give about as much feedback to your hands as a playstation joypad while playing gran turismo.
As a former sir,and dc2 owner for 5+years i know how hondas drive,they are responsive cars which require passion and energy to drive and in turn thats what u get from them,real race car experience with everyday reliability.
I read through this post in the search for some in depth info on the characteristics and handling of the ep3 but ill have to keep looking.
People,if you dont like the driving style of a honda then you shouldnt be behind the wheel,we know they have no torque,their stiff,stick to your 330 beemer.
Its like comparing strawberries and cherries,both berries but totally different!
Generally people who bash hondas and winge about their tprque steer and gitteryness are turbo lovers and have become lazy from years at the wheel of a modern turbo sports car,which often give about as much feedback to your hands as a playstation joypad while playing gran turismo.
As a former sir,and dc2 owner for 5+years i know how hondas drive,they are responsive cars which require passion and energy to drive and in turn thats what u get from them,real race car experience with everyday reliability.
I read through this post in the search for some in depth info on the characteristics and handling of the ep3 but ill have to keep looking.
People,if you dont like the driving style of a honda then you shouldnt be behind the wheel,we know they have no torque,their stiff,stick to your 330 beemer.
Its like comparing strawberries and cherries,both berries but totally different!
Baryonyx said:
Poor show, the EP3 is one of the best handling hot hatches around. Primiarly because it never concerned itself with the developing power wars of the time, it just did it's own thing with a manic engine and a sense of purpose. I often think of it as a scalpel of the hot hatches of the time, when everyone else seemed to intent on developing and perecting the sledgehammer.
Often, the VTEC engine is a source of a criticism, yet it is what it is. I suspect years of driving turbo powered cars (and also sadly, diesels) has made people lazy to the extent some have forgotten how to use a gearbox, or are not concerned with 'the right gear', only 'the gear I'm in'. The EP3 demands attention, and it demands some input from the driver to get the best from it, which is why I think it's found such favour as a drivers car. The whole experience is so much better when the car demands something back, and in this case, it is the willingness to take the car by the scruff of it's neck and rev it hard. I don't think it's particularly lazy below the VTEC range, but the explosive noise and power when the new cam profile engages is as addictive as any turbo spooling up and throwing you down a road!
Similarly, it's not a car I'd recommend for someone who wants to pootle to the shops and have the occasional blast down a B road in, because it the Civic Type R demands that you drive it hard everywhere. For a petrolhead though, that is perhaps one of it's most charming qualities; namely that it inspires the driver to give it some leather.
I also take issue with the comments about it's handling. While I'm far more familiar with the post-facelift version, I have always thought of it as being a very sharp, accurate hot hatch. Hence 'the scalpel', cutting and slicing through B roads where more clumsy rivals like the Focus ST and Astra VXR just try to force their way down on the back of a turbo-charged wave of power. The Civic Type R is the perfect antidote to hot hatch drivers who are becoming lazy, or starting to feel jaded with the power wars. Of it's time, it was my favourite NA hot hatch (better than the Clios of the day, IME). Though I'll always love turbo powered hot hatches too, the appeal of the Civic Type R cannot be denied.
Often, the VTEC engine is a source of a criticism, yet it is what it is. I suspect years of driving turbo powered cars (and also sadly, diesels) has made people lazy to the extent some have forgotten how to use a gearbox, or are not concerned with 'the right gear', only 'the gear I'm in'. The EP3 demands attention, and it demands some input from the driver to get the best from it, which is why I think it's found such favour as a drivers car. The whole experience is so much better when the car demands something back, and in this case, it is the willingness to take the car by the scruff of it's neck and rev it hard. I don't think it's particularly lazy below the VTEC range, but the explosive noise and power when the new cam profile engages is as addictive as any turbo spooling up and throwing you down a road!
Similarly, it's not a car I'd recommend for someone who wants to pootle to the shops and have the occasional blast down a B road in, because it the Civic Type R demands that you drive it hard everywhere. For a petrolhead though, that is perhaps one of it's most charming qualities; namely that it inspires the driver to give it some leather.
I also take issue with the comments about it's handling. While I'm far more familiar with the post-facelift version, I have always thought of it as being a very sharp, accurate hot hatch. Hence 'the scalpel', cutting and slicing through B roads where more clumsy rivals like the Focus ST and Astra VXR just try to force their way down on the back of a turbo-charged wave of power. The Civic Type R is the perfect antidote to hot hatch drivers who are becoming lazy, or starting to feel jaded with the power wars. Of it's time, it was my favourite NA hot hatch (better than the Clios of the day, IME). Though I'll always love turbo powered hot hatches too, the appeal of the Civic Type R cannot be denied.
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