RE: PH fleet: Morgan Plus 8
Discussion
Beefmeister said:
julian64 said:
Oh dear, I'm going to sound completely negative now. I've always secretly hankered after a Morgan. Its just that every time they produce a car they have to muck it up. This one would be a lovely car, lower, wider than the gorgeous original, and 1000000x better than the dead end in design that was the aeromax but a BMW X5 engine!! They might as well have shoved in a Chevy lump.... <clip>
Have you heard a BMW V8 powered Morgan? They sound incredible, proper V8 burble and very gentlemanly. The fact that it's from BMW is neither here nor there, it just means it's reliable. An in-line 6 wouldn't work in this, primarily because it's a Plus 8...
I love it ! Wheels ned changing, bit too modern looking for a classic shape Moggy. The straight line of the rear needs tweeking a bit and the spare wheel cover/blanking plate thing isn't quite right, but all minor stuff.
As for the price - bargain. Visit your Porsche dealer for mass produced cheaper stuff.
As for the price - bargain. Visit your Porsche dealer for mass produced cheaper stuff.
RichB said:
Beefmeister said:
julian64 said:
Oh dear, I'm going to sound completely negative now. I've always secretly hankered after a Morgan. Its just that every time they produce a car they have to muck it up. This one would be a lovely car, lower, wider than the gorgeous original, and 1000000x better than the dead end in design that was the aeromax but a BMW X5 engine!! They might as well have shoved in a Chevy lump.... <clip>
Have you heard a BMW V8 powered Morgan? They sound incredible, proper V8 burble and very gentlemanly. The fact that it's from BMW is neither here nor there, it just means it's reliable. An in-line 6 wouldn't work in this, primarily because it's a Plus 8...
. I know exactly what a BMW engine sounds like 
. Its not a horrible sounding engine, I quite like it.I suppose my point is that Morgan needed to grab a niche, and what they did in effect was to create an arguably inferior version of this
Which is a shame, because I'd have picked the Morgan a number of times over if it had been a bit braver with the engine.
Its about creating a character within the car. I want to be able to close my eyes and know what I'm driving.
Anyway, I'm in my usual minority of one
so as you were.Personally i find Morgans pretty boring, i live not far from Malvern, so i see them very often, & a mate of mine works there. £80k seems pretty steep, & those wheels look terrible. I am amused by those that see Malvern as some magical place of Morgan worship & Charles as some kind of legend. I can guarantee you the locals don't see it that way.
julian64 said:
Which is a shame, because I'd have picked the Morgan a number of times over if it had been a bit braver with the engine.
Its about creating a character within the car. I want to be able to close my eyes and know what I'm driving.
Anyway, I'm in my usual minority of one so as you were.
Can I assume you have never driven the Aero 8 with side pipes?Its about creating a character within the car. I want to be able to close my eyes and know what I'm driving.
Anyway, I'm in my usual minority of one
so as you were.It has so much presence, so much noise, so much laugh-out-loud pure unadulterated character, I think it would be simply impossible add any more character. It simply oozes it very every pore.
There is nothing, absolutely nothing like it. And the BMW V8 in that car is just perfect, simply perfect. There is no better engine for the car.
I am sure the old school plus 8 version is sublime. It has so much character you simply cannot add anymore.
Even a Weissman is, frankly, a bit homogenous in comparison, too close to its BMW roots.
toppstuff said:
julian64 said:
Which is a shame, because I'd have picked the Morgan a number of times over if it had been a bit braver with the engine.
Its about creating a character within the car. I want to be able to close my eyes and know what I'm driving.
Anyway, I'm in my usual minority of one so as you were.
Can I assume you have never driven the Aero 8 with side pipes?Its about creating a character within the car. I want to be able to close my eyes and know what I'm driving.
Anyway, I'm in my usual minority of one
so as you were.It has so much presence, so much noise, so much laugh-out-loud pure unadulterated character, I think it would be simply impossible add any more character. It simply oozes it very every pore.
There is nothing, absolutely nothing like it. And the BMW V8 in that car is just perfect, simply perfect. There is no better engine for the car.
I am sure the old school plus 8 version is sublime. It has so much character you simply cannot add anymore.
Even a Weissman is, frankly, a bit homogenous in comparison, too close to its BMW roots.
julian64 said:
...<clip> I'd have picked the Morgan a number of times over if it had been a bit braver with the engine. Its about creating a character within the car. I want to be able to close my eyes and know what I'm driving.
Anyway, I'm in my usual minority of oneso as you were.
No, not at all it's interesting that you have a car with the BMW V8 yet suggest they use something like a Chevvy LS4. I'm puzzled why you think a Chevvy engine would be better than a BMW one? Surely if all that bothers you is the sound then that can be tuned by the exhaust? Or are you suggesting that the BMW V8 is not characteristically suited to a sports car? Which I don't think is the case because of your comparison of the Morgan to the Weismann. Anyway, I'm in my usual minority of one
so as you were.toppstuff said:
Can I assume you have never driven the Aero 8 with side pipes?
It has so much presence, so much noise, so much laugh-out-loud pure unadulterated character, I think it would be simply impossible add any more character. It simply oozes it very every pore.
There is nothing, absolutely nothing like it. And the BMW V8 in that car is just perfect, simply perfect. There is no better engine for the car.
I am sure the old school plus 8 version is sublime. It has so much character you simply cannot add anymore.
Even a Weissman is, frankly, a bit homogenous in comparison, too close to its BMW roots.
You are obvious a fan, so not much point in going into why I think the Aero 8 was a dead end for Morgan styling wise. The plus 8 above is a very pretty car so Morgan obviously haven't lost the plot.It has so much presence, so much noise, so much laugh-out-loud pure unadulterated character, I think it would be simply impossible add any more character. It simply oozes it very every pore.
There is nothing, absolutely nothing like it. And the BMW V8 in that car is just perfect, simply perfect. There is no better engine for the car.
I am sure the old school plus 8 version is sublime. It has so much character you simply cannot add anymore.
Even a Weissman is, frankly, a bit homogenous in comparison, too close to its BMW roots.
As for the suggestion I don't have much experience, and there is nothing like it. I would have to say my interest went in different directions to yours.
I am fairly noise oriented, and this is expressed in my current car list. I have a Cobra with a 6 litre chevy engine WITH SIDE PIPES when I want to be a little louder than the Aero 8. A BMW V8 M5 for the more refined noise of a V8. A TVR Cerbera for a racing engined noise of a flat pane V8, and a Jaguar XKSS for the straight six howl of an old english gentlemans car.
Maybe I'm becoming immune to the V8 noise or just getting the right amount of deafness with age
.This think will be mental, from knowing how the race V6 Roadster goes with about 250bhp and the Class B Mog races with about 270bhp. Mog Class A races are just Bonkers having grip to spare and close on 400bhp (so these things will be approaching these Beasts).
Check out the Oli Byrant Vid in a Class A Mog at the Brands GO track - A Missile.
Morgan+8 – Heritage – GT Challenge – 2006 Oliver Bryant @ http://oliverbryant.com/video/
Check out the Oli Byrant Vid in a Class A Mog at the Brands GO track - A Missile.
Morgan+8 – Heritage – GT Challenge – 2006 Oliver Bryant @ http://oliverbryant.com/video/
thewheelman said:
Personally i find Morgans pretty boring, i live not far from Malvern, so i see them very often, & a mate of mine works there. £80k seems pretty steep, & those wheels look terrible. I am amused by those that see Malvern as some magical place of Morgan worship & Charles as some kind of legend. I can guarantee you the locals don't see it that way.
Plenty of locals do see it that way.....jellison said:
This think will be mental, from knowing how the race V6 Roadster goes with about 250bhp and the Class B Mog races with about 270bhp. Mog Class A races are just Bonkers having grip to spare and close on 400bhp (so these things will be approaching these Beasts).
Check out the Oli Byrant Vid in a Class A Mog at the Brands GO track - A Missile.
Morgan+8 – Heritage – GT Challenge – 2006 Oliver Bryant @ http://oliverbryant.com/video/
Thanks, that is probably the best link I've ever seen posted on PH. I had to stop watching at work because the speakers on the work PC don't do it justice. I'm going to wait till I get home and watch all of those.Check out the Oli Byrant Vid in a Class A Mog at the Brands GO track - A Missile.
Morgan+8 – Heritage – GT Challenge – 2006 Oliver Bryant @ http://oliverbryant.com/video/
P.S. Pau – Masters & Endurance 2006 – Cobra – On-Board Footage - sublime, look how much correction of the steering wheel he's doing. I'd be quite happy for any car on that track.
I would love to do that in mine.Ive driven that car and its superb!!
My opinion only of course, but the sound is so typical V8 burble with a great growl. More like the growl of twin side exits on current beasts as per Supersport here:
and less Harley throbby than the single side exit on my previous Aero.
The handling and control of the car is also sublime!
And lastly, to the guy who said cars cant have soul and passion???
get a grip fella 
My opinion only of course, but the sound is so typical V8 burble with a great growl. More like the growl of twin side exits on current beasts as per Supersport here:
and less Harley throbby than the single side exit on my previous Aero.
The handling and control of the car is also sublime!
And lastly, to the guy who said cars cant have soul and passion???
get a grip fella thewheelman said:
I'm not sure you know what you're talking about, firstly a car does not have character, it is a machine. Therefore no "soul" or "passion" etc. Secondly, have you driven a Weissman? It feels superior to any Morgan i've driven, in pretty much everyway. As for a better engine for the Morgan, i could suggest an Audi V8 or even an LS engine would be as good if not better.
I was at the Gt3 race in Portugal in 2009 with my Aero 8 and got to drive the Weismann pace car and the Pace car driver drove my Aero. We both agreed that the interior of the Weismann was better put together but the Aero was a much better car to drive.Admittedly it was only one lap but we both had the same conclusions.
As for sound, the factory adapted the twin side exit Sports exhaust option available on the supersports For my Aero and it sounds fabulous. I much prefer it's sound to that of my Ferrari
Edited by ukshooter on Friday 20th January 19:26
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