RE: PH Blog: M5 talks dirty
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E38Ross said:
as i've said before, the only BMWs i like are the 1M, 335i, M3, 535i, 550i, M5, 740i and 760li; the rest i couldn't give a toss about. any of the "X" cars are hideous, the new 6 series is just bland (interior aside), the Z4 looks nice but supposedly not great to drive and i'd be getting a boxster S over one all day long and the don't even get me started on the new 1 series!!
& the M1, the 328, the 507, the 3.0 CSL, the 2002tii 
Mermaid said:
E38Ross said:
as i've said before, the only BMWs i like are the 1M, 335i, M3, 535i, 550i, M5, 740i and 760li; the rest i couldn't give a toss about. any of the "X" cars are hideous, the new 6 series is just bland (interior aside), the Z4 looks nice but supposedly not great to drive and i'd be getting a boxster S over one all day long and the don't even get me started on the new 1 series!!
& the M1, the 328, the 507, the 3.0 CSL, the 2002tii 
Mermaid said:
E38Ross said:
i meant of the current line up
A Bangle fan, almost. And young man, you do not state which M3,M5?frankly, any M3 would do for me, E46 being my favourite in the styling department, but i'd take an E92 manual over one (other than a csl, of course), and tough choice on the M5, i prefer the styling of the new one many times over, but the V10, for all it's fuel guzzling and transmission foibles, is a heroic engine.
E38Ross said:
Hmmm, not sure about a bangle fan, the 3 series saloon is yawn-inducing, the E60 5 has never done it for me, i MUCH prefer the E39 or F10. the original Z4, especially in coupe guise, is something i like very much (only with a straight 6, please), i like his 6 series but because it's different, it's ugly for sure, but has lots of presence. 7 series of his....hmmm not a fan of that. so i guess 50/50.
frankly, any M3 would do for me, E46 being my favourite in the styling department, but i'd take an E92 manual over one (other than a csl, of course), and tough choice on the M5, i prefer the styling of the new one many times over, but the V10, for all it's fuel guzzling and transmission foibles, is a heroic engine.
I mean listen to it!frankly, any M3 would do for me, E46 being my favourite in the styling department, but i'd take an E92 manual over one (other than a csl, of course), and tough choice on the M5, i prefer the styling of the new one many times over, but the V10, for all it's fuel guzzling and transmission foibles, is a heroic engine.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?list=FLRk55GheH3_NaOL...
From a family saloon, superb.
Pity the new one doesn't sound half as good.
This from Sutclifs (don't much care for spelling it) latest blog on the new M F10's:
"So although M Division’s engineers did ‘everything we could to reduce the car’s weight during the engineering process’ they knew they had one hand tied behind their back on this occasion.
The result will be a hugely more refined M6, no doubt, and a gigantically rapid one, too, if the latest M5 is anything to go by. But whether it’ll contain the agility and slightly crazed response of the previous model – which I ran for six months way back when and, irritating gearbox aside, fell for in a very big way – is another question.
I suspect that, one day, maybe in 10 years, the V10 M cars might just end up being remembered with more affection than those that replaced them – even if they were a little bit on the mad side to drive, had rubbish touring ranges and were virtually impossible to park."
Even Steve is rather clearer and more articulate on this subject than the PH lot. j
"So although M Division’s engineers did ‘everything we could to reduce the car’s weight during the engineering process’ they knew they had one hand tied behind their back on this occasion.
The result will be a hugely more refined M6, no doubt, and a gigantically rapid one, too, if the latest M5 is anything to go by. But whether it’ll contain the agility and slightly crazed response of the previous model – which I ran for six months way back when and, irritating gearbox aside, fell for in a very big way – is another question.
I suspect that, one day, maybe in 10 years, the V10 M cars might just end up being remembered with more affection than those that replaced them – even if they were a little bit on the mad side to drive, had rubbish touring ranges and were virtually impossible to park."
Even Steve is rather clearer and more articulate on this subject than the PH lot. j
Derestrictor said:
I've tried to find SS's long term e63 pieces but they appear to have been forgotten.
It is that combination of the idiosyncratic and lunacy which marks them out; you have to be a bona fide refusnik to deny these things their place in The Pantheon.
Derestrictor, It is that combination of the idiosyncratic and lunacy which marks them out; you have to be a bona fide refusnik to deny these things their place in The Pantheon.
It kind of ironic but maybe your seemingly purposeful uncommunicative- yet well written, to most I'd say, prose, is rather like the obfuscation of the journalists and bloggers we both critique. Kind of artful and potentially effective the way you meet confusion with confusion; if only most were smart enough to see it. Yes as we dismiss the old and embrace the new their place is often forever lost. j
j123 said:
This from Sutclifs (don't much care for spelling it) latest blog on the new M F10's:
"So although M Division’s engineers did ‘everything we could to reduce the car’s weight during the engineering process’ they knew they had one hand tied behind their back on this occasion.
The result will be a hugely more refined M6, no doubt, and a gigantically rapid one, too, if the latest M5 is anything to go by. But whether it’ll contain the agility and slightly crazed response of the previous model – which I ran for six months way back when and, irritating gearbox aside, fell for in a very big way – is another question.
I suspect that, one day, maybe in 10 years, the V10 M cars might just end up being remembered with more affection than those that replaced them – even if they were a little bit on the mad side to drive, had rubbish touring ranges and were virtually impossible to park."
Even Steve is rather clearer and more articulate on this subject than the PH lot. j
So what he is saying is, bad points can actually be good points, because they add some character... something anyone who owns cars for longer than five minutes before making their judgement, will actually determine (and which most magazines on tests won't achieve)"So although M Division’s engineers did ‘everything we could to reduce the car’s weight during the engineering process’ they knew they had one hand tied behind their back on this occasion.
The result will be a hugely more refined M6, no doubt, and a gigantically rapid one, too, if the latest M5 is anything to go by. But whether it’ll contain the agility and slightly crazed response of the previous model – which I ran for six months way back when and, irritating gearbox aside, fell for in a very big way – is another question.
I suspect that, one day, maybe in 10 years, the V10 M cars might just end up being remembered with more affection than those that replaced them – even if they were a little bit on the mad side to drive, had rubbish touring ranges and were virtually impossible to park."
Even Steve is rather clearer and more articulate on this subject than the PH lot. j
Dave
Okay so I'm all geared up to look at buying the new F10 M5 as a secondhand bargain. I think "hmm, how about looking for reviews on PH". So I find this thread.
After reading the 'blog' that started this thread and all of the promises of a proper PH review herein throughout this thread - WHERE the hell is it? Were there not promises of a great review mentioned?
After reading the 'blog' that started this thread and all of the promises of a proper PH review herein throughout this thread - WHERE the hell is it? Were there not promises of a great review mentioned?
amg master said:
dont think the m5 is manual and not every one who drives amg,'s are old men.just because someone likes the amg more does'nt mean the m5 is a bad car.i had a c63 amg and a m3 and i liked the amg more.
I had an E55K AMG when I was 23 and loved it! (although everyone did think it was my dad's car).I must admit to not having owned an M5, but taking the slightly less well aged E-class looks out of the equation, and having spent a lot of time in my cousins E60 M5 - I'd choose the E55 again - but at the time the looks weren't dated.
I haven't driven either the new M5 or E55 however, so cannot comment on one vs. the other.
I don't think the M5 is really a young persons choice of car either though - most owners probably are 40+ for both models.
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