RE: Driven: Toyota GT 86
Discussion
otolith said:
It was a superb car because it handled like a sports car while having four proper seats. OK. Rebuild it around a piston engine. Now it either doesn't handle like a sports car, or it doesn't have four proper seats. Oh, and the styling doesn't work either, because the low bonnet line is now impossible.
They manage to put LS1 V8s in both RX7s and RX8s. The transmission tunnel is huge and allows the engine and gearbox to be positioned nicely backwards for a front/mid engined weight balance. And once the rotary is dressed it actually weighs quite a bit. An aluminium LS1 adds about 100kg to the weight of the car, massively improves PWR and driveability and results in a perfect 50:50 weight distribution.In short, you get a better car.
marcosgt said:
The RX8 will always divide opinion, but as a practical and affordable way to go quickly on a twisty road it takes a lot of beating.
It's consumption of petrol / oil combined with the reputation for poor reliability mean it's a dead duck.The second hand prices show how most people see it.
Fittster said:
bigfish786 said:
why would it? for 25k you can have some really good,fast,attractive,practical "drivers" cars.
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Name the "drivers" cars you can have new for 25K?.
JonathanLegard said:
otolith said:
It was a superb car because it handled like a sports car while having four proper seats. OK. Rebuild it around a piston engine. Now it either doesn't handle like a sports car, or it doesn't have four proper seats. Oh, and the styling doesn't work either, because the low bonnet line is now impossible.
They manage to put LS1 V8s in both RX7s and RX8s. The transmission tunnel is huge and allows the engine and gearbox to be positioned nicely backwards for a front/mid engined weight balance. And once the rotary is dressed it actually weighs quite a bit. An aluminium LS1 adds about 100kg to the weight of the car, massively improves PWR and driveability and results in a perfect 50:50 weight distribution.In short, you get a better car.
How many other sportscars seat four adults and have the engine behind the front axle line? I can only think of the Ferrari FF, which is huge. There are a few 2+2s which will fit a legless midget in the back, but I can't think of any more four seaters.
If it would be so easy to build a car with the RX-8's packaging and a piston engine, why can't I buy one?
Fittster said:
marcosgt said:
The RX8 will always divide opinion, but as a practical and affordable way to go quickly on a twisty road it takes a lot of beating.
It's consumption of petrol / oil combined with the reputation for poor reliability mean it's a dead duck.The second hand prices show how most people see it.
That doesn't nullify its carrying capacity, even if it does mean pub-experts tell you it will go AND handle better with a boat anchor bolted in the front
The point is that the GT86 isn't a 4 seater the way the RX8 is (or any more than a 911 is!), so it's not 'the car the RX8 could have been' - It's a modern RX7 with a piston engine.
M
PS JL's point about V8s applies to FD RX7s because the turbos and intercoolers weigh as much as the engine, which is not true of the RX8, which has the engine lower and further back in the chassis than the FD RX7. If someone can find a proper road car RX8 with an LS1 (Without tractor like ground clearance), they're doing better than me - The best one I've found on the web was a Dragster!!!!!
Anyway, this is supposed to be about the GT86, not the much better RX8
Edited by marcosgt on Wednesday 11th July 15:35
marcosgt said:
That doesn't nullify its carrying capacity, even if it does mean pub-experts tell you it will go AND handle better with a boat anchor bolted in the front
Porsche installed lead weights in the 911's front bumper to improve weight distribution. Clearly a company run by pub-experts.JonathanLegard said:
marcosgt said:
That doesn't nullify its carrying capacity, even if it does mean pub-experts tell you it will go AND handle better with a boat anchor bolted in the front
Porsche installed lead weights in the 911's front bumper to improve weight distribution. Clearly a company run by pub-experts.They've spent 50 years engineering solutions to make the cars drivable!
M.
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