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thinfourth2
23,929 posts
74 months
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The Spruce goose said: Havent smart already been there, didn't sell that well? Yeah as it didn't have a big flashing sign that said "I'm richer then you you piece of pond scum"
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RemyMartin
1,068 posts
75 months
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Baryonyx said: Not fit to hold a candle to the old Cosworths. Oh Bore off, Sure they have the nostalgia of a bygone era and yes I love old retro cars, but by modern standards the Focus RS murders the old Cossies. Chassis development has moved the game on so much that a Front wheel drive car is arguably 'better' I know this is subjective but the Cossies can only really 'beat' the Focus RS on being Retro and putting their power down, thats it. Oh and they sound universally s  t compared to a 5 pot IMO.
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d parry
Original Poster
39 posts
18 months
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BarnatosGhost said: The Focus RS...
Whilst you were drooling over Escorts and Sierras, you were aware that they were almost exclusively very slow, weren't you.
Normal cars from normal manufacturers have never been faster. Your telling me the Focus RS and Sierra Cosworths are slow  . What cars could u buy for less money than these when new that could beat them 0-60 and drive well at the same time.
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BarnatosGhost
6,425 posts
123 months
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The Spruce goose said: Havent smart already been there, didn't sell that well? World's nastiest gearbox saw to that, along with all the other downsides of Smart.
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MG CHRIS
2,746 posts
37 months
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I would think in a focus it would be a little underpowered but in a fiesta or ka would be very good better mpg and more power, smaller area for the engine bay means more room inside. Considering this in a kit car a typical bike engined 7 weighs 500kg with most bike engines being around 140bhp this would be ideal to use. Atleast ford is developing petrol engines instead of going diesel which is a good thing.
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0a
8,528 posts
64 months
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You can't drive if you are unable to enjoy a 1.6 focus or think it's dangerous
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Baryonyx
7,029 posts
29 months
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BarnatosGhost said: I much prefer old cars to new, but a Focus RS would murder the old Cosworths. Just as this new 1.0 will murder any 1.0, 1.4, 1.6, 2.0 old Ford on all objective measures.
The old ones look better, but that's it. And then an Nissan GTR turns up and 'murders' the Focus RS. There is a bit more to cars that what 'murders' what. I doubt in twenty years people will be looking back at the Focus RS and saying 'what a masterpiece'. The Cosworths will still be revered then.
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BarnatosGhost
6,425 posts
123 months
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d parry said: BarnatosGhost said: The Focus RS...
Whilst you were drooling over Escorts and Sierras, you were aware that they were almost exclusively very slow, weren't you.
Normal cars from normal manufacturers have never been faster. Your telling me the Focus RS and Sierra Cosworths are slow . What cars could u buy for less money than these when new that could beat them 0-60 and drive well at the same time. No, dipstick, you were complaining about kids not having fast cars like the Cosworths to get excited about. I referred you to the Focus RS. This is a story about a normal, sensible hatchback. You got antsy because a high-performance 1.0 Focus wasn't a modern Cosworth equivalent. I pointed out to you that the Cosworths were based on cars much, much slower than the one you're deriding today.
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Rawwr
12,831 posts
104 months
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Baryonyx said: And then an Nissan GTR turns up and 'murders' the Focus RS. There is a bit more to cars that what 'murders' what. I doubt in twenty years people will be looking back at the Focus RS and saying 'what a masterpiece'. The Cosworths will still be revered then. I wouldn't bank on that. The Mk1 Focus RS has already achieved cult status and I doubt there's any reason why the Mk2 won't follow.
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ZOLLAR
16,300 posts
43 months
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thinfourth2 said: ZOLLAR said: 1 litre engine. engine that can sit on an A4 piece of paper. Eco. These all for some reason made me sad  I feel exactly the opposite Stick this in something that is well under a ton with zero frills and you have a lotus elise or an eco car I should have expanded on my post, I agree with you that such engines in something under a ton would be great but in a focus it doesn't sit right.
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832ark
289 posts
26 months
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d parry said: Your telling me the Focus RS and Sierra Cosworths are slow . What cars could u buy for less money than these when new that could beat them 0-60 and drive well at the same time. MR2 Turbo please (admittidly not in the UK) I'd take one of those any day other than some Ford rubbish
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BarnatosGhost
6,425 posts
123 months
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Baryonyx said: BarnatosGhost said: I much prefer old cars to new, but a Focus RS would murder the old Cosworths. Just as this new 1.0 will murder any 1.0, 1.4, 1.6, 2.0 old Ford on all objective measures.
The old ones look better, but that's it. And then an Nissan GTR turns up and 'murders' the Focus RS. There is a bit more to cars that what 'murders' what. I doubt in twenty years people will be looking back at the Focus RS and saying 'what a masterpiece'. The Cosworths will still be revered then. No argument there. The Cosworths were relatively fabulous. But largely because the cars they were beating back then were rubbish. They were a great step forward, but those big steps simply aren't possible today. For Ford to re-enact the Cosworth scenario today they'd need to be turning out 400-450bhp for £22k.
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Classic Grad 98
4,214 posts
30 months
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123bhp and 125lb.ft from one litre is seriously impressive. Three pot engine will probably sound a bit thrashy and it probably won't be the ideal motorway cruiser but I reckon it'll be sufficient power and refinement for a large proportion of Focus buyers.
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twazzock
1,912 posts
39 months
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ZOLLAR said: I should have expanded on my post, I agree with you that such engines in something under a ton would be great but in a focus it doesn't sit right. Why not?! It's a standard hatchback which most people will use for pootling to the shops, it makes no difference whether it's a 1.0 turbo or 1.6 n/a; for the target market it does the job perfectly (in fact, better than the outgoing engines as the lowdown torque is more appealing to the average driver, as is mega economy).
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dvs_dave
3,616 posts
95 months
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d parry said: Thanks. someone who agrees with me. I have grown up around Ford's all my life with my dad and grandad working for them. I have always had a love for them and it makes me sad to see this bog standard eco crap. I used to drool over all the Escort SI's and RS's, Sierra Cosworths etc because they were exciting and looked tough and super fast.Whats are kids going to be drooling over in 10 years time?? a f king 1 litre eco boost ting engine on a slow cars that make no noise and create zero excitement. Not sure what your point is? Who said anything about this new 1.0 being any sort of aspirational performance version? It's the base model engine, and I don't remember anyone ever getting excited about about any base model ford, ever. IMO it's a good engine for a base model and not something that was ever intended to be drooled over. As it happens, the EcoBoost range of engines have real potential for big power and torque, so I think you should consider revising your somewhat outdated opinion on such things.
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RemyMartin
1,068 posts
75 months
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Rawwr said: I wouldn't bank on that. The Mk1 Focus RS has already achieved cult status and I doubt there's any reason why the Mk2 won't follow. Exactly, and when the new generation of kids who drooled over the latest RSs are old, they will be keeping the RS legend alive (jesus did I just type that....) Coupled to the fact the Mk2 is is IMO more iconic (has the big wing a la Whaletail, lairy paint, lairy sounding engine)
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ZOLLAR
16,300 posts
43 months
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twazzock said: ZOLLAR said: I should have expanded on my post, I agree with you that such engines in something under a ton would be great but in a focus it doesn't sit right. Why not?! It's a standard hatchback which most people will use for pootling to the shops, it makes no difference whether it's a 1.0 turbo or 1.6 n/a; for the target market it does the job perfectly (in fact, better than the outgoing engines as the lowdown torque is more appealing to the average driver, as is mega economy). Just my opinion, I didn't say ford were wrong I just said it doesn't sit right with me.
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Changedmyname
4,953 posts
51 months
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I'd get one for the missus.
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Superhoop
2,552 posts
63 months
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The average buyer will have the following list of requirements:
Good fuel economy - check
Low RFL - check
Focus sized - check
They're unlikely to care about the performance, and for Ford, it'll keep their average vehicle emissions down - leaving them a bit of breathing room for the next Focus R'S to suit petrol heads - what's not to like about it?
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Baryonyx
7,029 posts
29 months
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832ark said: d parry said: Your telling me the Focus RS and Sierra Cosworths are slow . What cars could u buy for less money than these when new that could beat them 0-60 and drive well at the same time. MR2 Turbo please (admittidly not in the UK) I'd take one of those any day other than some Ford rubbish Well, the MR2 Turbo is available in the UK as plenty were imported over here. But it's a bit unfair to compare that a Cosworth. No doubt faster, especially as the model was revised (Rev 3 had a 0-60 of 5.1 seconds), but it was built from the ground up as a sports car, whereas the Sierra Cosworth wasn't.
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