RE: Chris Harris video: Sport Quattro vs. RS200

RE: Chris Harris video: Sport Quattro vs. RS200

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Carparticus

1,038 posts

201 months

Friday 21st February 2014
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ToothbrushMan said:
That steering looks god damn heavy.....no assistance I presume.
None. And very hard to swivel at low speed due to very wide front tyres.

It was possible to put in a power steering set up (from a cossie I think) but none of the people who could do this would do it on a road-car due to indemnity problems.


ToothbrushMan said:
I am with Chris - I too always associated the 200 with the cossie 2 litre lump - i didnt know it was a BDT 1.8
Loosely speaking, they had 1.8 BDTs with 250-350 bhp, or 1.9 BDT hybrids with 400 to 600 bhp, or 2.4 BDT EVO engines with an easy 600 up to 900bhp with some black magic head work etc. However, all were very '80s turbo lag' type of power delivery. Nothing below 4,000 rpm, then major kick up the arse beyond.



ToothbrushMan said:
.. and interesting to learn about the engine sending drive forwards for the gearbox to then send some of it back to the rear wheels!
Yup. And when the shaft back to the rear snaps, as happened to me once, you end up with the worlds first rear-engined, front-wheel drive 600 bhp car !!! Which is something I dont want to repeat on a public road again ...


GravelBen

15,656 posts

229 months

Friday 21st February 2014
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Carparticus said:
...you end up with the worlds first rear-engined, front-wheel drive 600 bhp car !!! Which is something I dont want to repeat on a public road again ...
yikes

I can imagine, I don't think I'd want to try it either!

TeaNoSugar

1,229 posts

164 months

Saturday 22nd February 2014
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Whenever I watch videos or reviews of Group B rally cars, it makes me wonder how they would have developed if things had been different, if there'd been no horrendous accidents and the sport had remained viable. In other words, what would a group of 2014 Group B cars be like? I don't know the regulations so I don't know what would be allowed, but would it effectively be a WRC-type event but with Pikes Peak style cars? Interesting to see what the big manufacturers would come up with if they were inclined to spend massive budgets on developing extreme rally cars without the restrictions of the WRC and without any care for emissions regulations.

irocfan

40,156 posts

189 months

Saturday 22nd February 2014
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funny thing is back in the day the RS200 was a dream car to me - these days (if I had a lotto win) I'd be all over the Audi. It is a shame about what happened to group B - I suspect that even if they'd had non-turbo-nutter-bd cars things would have gone wrong. You just can't have people standing in the middle of the road taking pics and then jumping to one side or people getting within millimeters of the cars without a human/machine interface frown

Dapster

6,877 posts

179 months

Saturday 22nd February 2014
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radio man said:
anyone seen the RS200 in the classifieds at £6 less than £200,000
This appears to have sold last month. It was up for €275,000 What a thing though, and definitely in my lotto garage.




madsef

5 posts

161 months

Saturday 22nd February 2014
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Awsome cars especially the sport quattro,group b was a magical time in rallying a no holds bar competition.its just a shame the crowd control ruined this sacred event.
I think ron hodgson in wigan still has an rs 200 for sale 100k plus.Its just a shame we didn't hear more of the sports 5cyl warble,still one of if not the best sounding noises ever.Can i have the sport please will swap for nice golf r32 lol !!!superb

e21Mark

16,205 posts

172 months

Monday 24th February 2014
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Saw a Sport Quattro at the Race Retro Show last weekend. Awesome sounding thing. Definitely one for the collection when my numbers come up. Mind you, at 6' 3'' I may not fit?

Gary C

12,315 posts

178 months

Thursday 27th February 2014
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paulmon said:
There was a small garage near Wigan that had an RS200 in the showroom. I used to go out of my way on a regular basis to go an oogle it through the window. I was a teenager at the time and to me it was pure automotive pornography. The mists of time maybe cloudy but I'm sure the price on the window was close to £100K which in the mid/late 80's was an extraordinary amount of money for a car.

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Ford sold them for £50k at the end of grp B which now seems like a bargain, mind you, rover sold the 6r4's of for about 15k !

Gary C

12,315 posts

178 months

Thursday 27th February 2014
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TeaNoSugar said:
Whenever I watch videos or reviews of Group B rally cars, it makes me wonder how they would have developed if things had been different, if there'd been no horrendous accidents and the sport had remained viable. In other words, what would a group of 2014 Group B cars be like? I don't know the regulations so I don't know what would be allowed, but would it effectively be a WRC-type event but with Pikes Peak style cars? Interesting to see what the big manufacturers would come up with if they were inclined to spend massive budgets on developing extreme rally cars without the restrictions of the WRC and without any care for emissions regulations.
Look up group S and the Lancia ECV to find out what was coming next.

Group B was amazing, crawling through forests to stand a few feet away from these monsters being drive at full competition speed (something you don't see from these cars now) was indescribable. The noise and the way the ground shook and rumbled. The way they were sideways 100 feet before the corners smile

Then meeting them on the road as they drove between stages. I ended in a game of chicken with Henri toivenen in traffic as he made his way to a stage (I was not going to reverse 1/2 a mile back to the stage !)

Then service areas were easily accessible so you could see these beasts being ripped apart.

Oh, if only I could go back smile

Johnnytheboy

24,498 posts

185 months

Thursday 27th February 2014
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Gary C said:
Ford sold them for £50k at the end of grp B which now seems like a bargain, mind you, rover sold the 6r4's of for about 15k !
6R4s in their standard form were not road legal, IIRC, so they could hardly give them away.

Gary C

12,315 posts

178 months

Friday 28th February 2014
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Johnnytheboy said:
Gary C said:
Ford sold them for £50k at the end of grp B which now seems like a bargain, mind you, rover sold the 6r4's off for about 15k !
6R4s in their standard form were not road legal, IIRC, so they could hardly give them away.
The rally cars were certainly road legal as they had to be driven between stages on the public road, as I remember the ones they sold off were not registered and were missing a few bits like wheels and dashboards. However it can't have been beyond anyone to get them road registered.

A Sierra cosworth was £15950 at the time.

pits

6,423 posts

189 months

Monday 3rd March 2014
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This video would be so much better if it was more engine noise and no Chris Harris, always spoiling videos by talking in them.

masermartin

1,629 posts

176 months

Friday 7th March 2014
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I once mistook a Sport Quattro for a normal Quattro, and tried to race it in my old Mi16. It was funny up to about 75mph, and then he stopped playing with me and put his foot down...

Edit: holy thread resurrection, Batman, etc.

missmouse

3 posts

110 months

Thursday 15th January 2015
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The Audi should really have been an S1 of course!